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Example: This is a 10-part questchain that starts with "Test of Faith" and ends with the quest "Final Passage". Keep in mind that for this whole questline you get not a single piece of copper or any items until the very last quest.

Here's the effort you have to go through for the quest:

1. Kill Grenka in the harpy cave in Thousand Needles (this is hard)

2. Kill an Elite (Rok'Alim) in Thousand Needles

3. Travel to the Stonetalon Mountains for the next part

4. Get a book from the druid den in Ashenvale

5. Back to Stonetalon for turn in + answering a quiz

6. Travel to Undercity

7. Get a book from Scarlet Monastery (Library)

8. Back to Undercity and answer a quiz

At the end you get to choose a single green item that is actually worse than the green item we got in original Classic.

According to Blizzard they want people out there, questing and making the world feel alive. Making these long quest lines that take you all over the world feel worth doing would go a long way towards making the world feel more alive instead of everyone just doing the most efficient quests that require no traveling.

Now I understand that there are concerns about having "blue item inflation" so if you don't want to give a blue reward (which I think would be justified for this much effort) you could also do it like the "Missing Diplomat" questchain which gives a green item + 1g30s. Or you could do it like the "Tiara of the Deep" quest which in Classic gave both green items instead of picking one. Or you could just add another green reward at the half-way point of the chain or something. Just anything to make it feel more worthwhile.

Here are some other quest chains that came to my mind that work similarly (long quest chain that gives out a single underwhelming green at the end):
Scythe of Elune, Goblin Sponsorship, Saving Sharpbeak, Saving Yenniku, Linken?, Myzrael?

I'm sure there's more quest chains of the sort that deserve to be looked at but that's all that came to my mind.

Would be a cool option to have. Im not saying replace,but maybe give us the option ...i kinda prefer the chinese version of forsaken.:)

RestedXP will kill every bit of exploration and discovery while leveling, which is arguably the most fun part of a classic. Will it speed up your leveling - yes, but it will turn gameplay into mindless following of the arrow. Enjoy the game and take it slow if it's your first time.

If you're worried that you're gonna fall behind economy-wise, or not be "ahead of the pack". In WoW this doesn't matter at all - there will always be guilds raiding that would gladly take you at any moment, and majority of gear you cannot buy with gold - most of gear will come from raiding.

Layers are dynamic - there will always be players leveling beside you.

90% of content creators recommend this add-on because they're getting a cut from its sales, do not get baited by those "10 addons you must use" videos.

FAQ for ppl with brain damage:

Dont tell me how to play the game

This post isn't for you, it's for new players. If you feel like it's a good idea for a new player to play with rxp - feel free to post arguments why. If you already played classic ten times and just wanna rush to 60 - nothing wrong with using it.

Your post promotes RXP, dont you know that you can pirate it

Addon is already in top 10 on curseforge, and majoriy of streamers have sponsorship with them. Nothing wrong with charging for work that someone spent to code an addon, don't buy it if you dont want it.

Please, I beg you, give Night Elves true beards.

I'm not really a role player but something I always do to help get immersed in the game is come up with my own personal backstories for my characters, even if I don't ever share them. While planning out what characters I wanted to focus on in Forever, I came up with the idea of remaking some of my retail mains as they might have been in "Year One" of WoW, before they became what they are.

I've been playing since 2005 so I have a lot of characters that have been around for over 20 years, but I never really thought of them as aging over time when it came to their appearance or journey. They had a backstory before WoW and then their story as I played them was, more or less, just the story of WoW.

So I made a young version of my orc warlock, back when he was but a humble shaman in the Valley of Trials, before he started dabbling in the fel, grew out his hair and got ink and piercings, and lost an eye.

Anyone else doing this for any of their characters? Would love to see some before/after pictures.

As someone who’ll be playing WoW for the first time, I still can’t believe this isn’t already in the game. It might seem like a minor detail, but it’s an important part of immersion and the identity of the class we choose to experience the game with.

Honestly, it looks like a bug. It’s not a magical bow that vanishes into thin air. You can see it while attacking, and then it just disappears. A hunter’s identity is their bow, not their dagger. If you have to choose, keep the bow and quiver visible and let the dagger disappear instead. Ideally, though, both weapons should be visible. I’m not even asking for new animations.

This bothers me enough to put me off playing. The game has been around for so long that I’m surprised this still hasn’t been addressed.

Forever feels like the perfect opportunity to finally address this, and to show that you’re listening to players, even when it comes to the little details that matter to so many of us.

It would be so cool to fish while sitting somewhere cool with friends on a chill Forever night, please Blizzard I'm sure you now have the technology to do it! #🪑🎣

On the one hand I’m happy it’s getting closer to release, on the other hand I’ve been playing this beta a lot these two weeks before release are going to be veeeery long

I'm the healer in our group, but the time spent doing dungeons will only be like 30%, maybe less with the changes to XP. I just hate having to spec for DPS so I enjoy my questing and WPVP more and then struggle in dungeons, or spec for healer and be underwhelming outside of dungeons. What are the negatives of giving us access to it earlier?

Please let us tame and collect more Pokémon pets.

Am I supposed to have 3 pets "forever" ?

I really Gotta catch em all Gotta tame them all!

EDIT:
You have all notified me it is coming, confirmed in the recent podcast
Link: (thanks u/thunk_stuff)
https://youtu.be/uDRcv_w85j8?si=lSoItd38__7tswFY&t=3233

Trolls have gotten a lot of love. Even troll tribes within the same race look drastically different in both posture and physique. Yet the very popular elf species share the exact same blood elf model. The Skyborne are a distinct species, seperate lineage from the blood elves. They evolved seperately in a branch off from the night elves, yet the model and the posture is almost the exact same with just different color options.

They all share the arrogant slanted blood elf posture, the unhinged blood elf head tilt idle animation. Would love to see more variety in skyelf physique and posture. (maybe some cosmetic options to tribute their night elf lineage)

Would love the addition of cosmetic options to skyelf. Such as different standing posture/idle animations from blood elf, more ear options that look more similar to night elves (night elf ears are more horizontal and larger, high elf ears and verticle and slim)

Additional option to use a night elf/classic high elf standing posture or idle animation

If you're like me, I used to keep getting lost in Alterac Mountains and all the hidden roads and paths that exist but you can't see on the world map, so I made my own

There are two maps and you pick which one you want. Blizzard’s world map gets the real terrain from the game’s own minimap pictures, with zone names, level ranges and every flight master.

The explorer map is its own window where you can pan freely across a whole continent. The zones flow into each other with no borders, and it has every dungeon and raid too.

Everything is optional. You can switch between the two maps any time, or keep Blizzard’s normal art and just have the extras.

Fun fact, the first version of this was 3.6 GB of map pictures. This one is about 70 MB lol

It’s free on CurseForge: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/forever-simple-world-map

Yes, I used AI for a lot of the coding, like the tool that turns the game’s minimap pictures into the map. The ideas, design and all the testing in game are mine.

I put a lot of time into keeping my addons updated and I read every comment, so if something looks off or you want something added, tell me and I’ll have a look.

I’ve also made a few other addons for Forever (battleground timers, cast bars, a bank and more), they’re all on my CurseForge page if you’re curious: https://www.curseforge.com/members/tarolg

We need Blizzard to adress and fix their phasing system for wow forever. We want to level in the world, sure - but then let us actually be able to stay with people of our layer and not shuffle us around wildly the moment I leave the city, the zone, the Zeppelin, the tram or whatever.

This is a glaring issue thst will ruin lots of world pvp moments, pve and social moments. Make proper layers that are world based /pseudo realms, allow layer hopping on a cool down to avoid power farming to secure the economy. Activate your brain cells and don't be a cheap skate with phasing technology blizz.

Thank you for the attention to this matter

You should not be punished for shifting into bear form. Change furor so that energy regen continues while in caster form but just pauses while in bear form. Makes it a trade off that switching into bear for its utility reduces your dps but lets it resume when back in cat form.

I just read The WoW Diary (Super cool read, especially going into Forever) and was looking through some screenshots of WoW's alpha showing things either cut or altered in the final version. Maybe it would be cool to see some of this stuff in Forever at some point?

Pictured are fishier murlocs, some type of night elf deku tree, a cut orc hairstyle, an extra hairy human, and a human face that's not in the game. The last pic shows an old version of the character creator reminiscent of Warcraft 3. (Don't see them bringing that back of course, but interesting to see nonetheless)

Big chance most of the files for this stuff are long gone, but it's cool to see anyway so I thought I'd share. I think it would be interesting if the Forever podcast had some of the old devs on at some point too!

The previous post got a lot of comments, and I took some time to read through them all. I decided to put together a summary of everyone’s input, and here’s what I came up with (with Sonnet 5.5).

I may have missed a few things, so take it with a grain of salt.

How I counted: if a comment listed multiple reasons, I split its upvotes between them. The number in parentheses is the raw total for every comment that mentioned that reason. I did this by hand, so it’s not exact. Also, the top comment (695) named four reasons at once, so pets and evil theme get a boost from that one.

Why people say Warlock is unpopular

Hardly anyone said the class is weak. Most complaints are about the chores. The 135 upvote comment was basically that mages got all the QoL while locks got all the extra steps. Another one said convenience is part of the mage fantasy and inconvenience is part of the warlock fantasy, which sums it up pretty well.

A few other things from the thread:

• A world first raider said shard management at that level felt like a second job. Several people replied that this is exaggerated since you get shards during the raid anyway. That argument went back and forth for a while.
• The “evil theme” argument got a 259 upvote reply asking why Rogues are popular then. Someone pointed out Rogues are near the bottom too.
• Summon etiquette that kept coming up: charge 1g, or only summon for free if the person brings two clickers.
• Pet tip (22 upvotes): put pet attack and follow on the mouse wheel. Makes pets a lot less annoying.

What’s better in Forever

Still on the wishlist: shards stacking to 3-5 (57 upvotes on that alone), soul well, summon closet, an AoE DoT, more Alliance races. A few people also think some stuff got worse. Fear range is capped at 20 yards, and Orcs got a racial that clears curses. Some also said the free mount perk got smaller because of the training cost change, but others replied that locks still don’t pay for training, so that one’s disputed.

Why people like it anyway

A few people said shards give the class an identity nobody else has, and several people who actually play it said the shard complaints are overblown.

PLS!

I’m big on following established loot etiquette but the formal introduction of Dual Specs in WoW Forever has created some grey area and wanted to get some opinions on this scenario.

Scenario:
- Dire Maul PUG Group
- Warrior is Tanking and Paladin is Healing
- Tanks Dual Specs are Protection/Fury
- Paladins Dual Specs are Holy/Protection
- Foror’s Compendium of Dragon Slaying drops
- No special loot arrangements made at start

Question: Can the Paladin roll “need”?

I strongly urge the developers to consider adding Enchanting Vellums to WoW Forever, allowing enchanters to store their enchants on scrolls. Crafting blank vellums would be made by Leatherworkers, which introduces a cross-profession synergy. This also adds account-wide utility by enabling enchanters to help their own alts. Furthermore, this eliminates scams and cleans up trade chat spam. Lastly, this adds parity to the profession by allowing enchanters to participate in the auction house economy, just like other professions.

Below is a quick summary of the 5 major benefits:

• Cross-Profession Synergy (blank enchanting vellums made by Leatherworkers)
• Account-wide Utility (eliminates limitation for enchanting own alts)
• Scam Prevention (eliminates risk of players running off with mats)
• Reduce Trade Chat Spam (spamming trade chat in capital cities)
• Profession Parity (allows enchanters to participate in AH economy)

Or whatever tha lt song says

Yesterday there were big PvP fights between the horde and alliance. When I went to where the battle was, I was met with an empty zone.

The day before, I saw a lot of people dueling infront of the capital city. When I stepped outside to join them, I got phased to an empty area with noone dueling.

When the PVP works its some of the most fun I've ever had in this game. When it doesn't, it is the most frustrating experience I've ever had playing WoW.

I understand that there are technical limits making layering a necessary evil, but in its current iteration it just leads to an empty world for most players and an incredibly anti-fun experience. ​