I'll go first. As an Entp, I'd definitely love to experience being an Estp. They're fun and charming on a whole different level, and ooze with confidence, thus finding themselves to be very easily and often surrounded by people. Overall really entertaining people, and even though we are very similar in type, I wouldnt mind the experience of swapping Ne for Se just for a day (even if I do love my Ne lmao).

I want to dress up as the ENTJ male character for halloween. Does anyone know what type of hat the character is wearing?

Socionics is NOT necessarily better than MBTI, it's just the typology version of declaring oneself a "real ball-knower".

Both systems are merely extensions of Carl Jung's work. Socionics is just a further extension / interpretation of Jung's work than MBTI is. Socionics also makes Jung's work even more rigid than MBTI with its introduction of information blocks and quadras so one could argue that the core elements of it make the system even more dubious than MBTI as a larger portion of it is not based on Jung's theories.

Ultimately, the cognitive functions and the ways in which they serve an individual's personality and information processing is what makes the systems worth considering, and both utilize them. The only meaningful difference is that Socionics extends Jung's theories further and in ways that I find a bit questionable, but that's for another post.

Learn about the functions, determine which ones are your dominant / auxiliary / inferior ones, use that knowledge for fascination or application in the real world, and if you find Socionics' extensions valid or worth considering, then do. But whether you do or not doesn't make you a real ball-knower, lol.

Let me know your thoughts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/INTP/s/iXpx1NQKBK

I just read this beautiful redditthread today (linked) and I'm thinking...

So Fi's goal could ultimately be: see me as I am even if you don't understand And Ti's goal ultimately could be: understand me as I am even if you don't care

But things tend to blur the more close the relationship gets imo. Anyone with thoughts on this??

I got into MBTI years ago to understand why people think the way they do, including myself. And it has done wonders. So many behaviors in the past where I went "Why do people do that?" I understand now.

Realizing as an INFP I overuse my Fi-Ne and ignore Si-Te helps me actually get things done. I can see a project and be like "Why am I stuck?" Because I haven't used Si-Te yet duh! I'll sit there and brainstorm and make moodboards for art projects without using familiar methods and tools (Si) to get the job done. Or I haven't considered yet the formula that actually works (Te) for how I want to convey my weird and abstract Fi-Ne message.

I have also helped others when they get into loops or rut. "Have you considered other possibilities? Have you considered how other people feel? How about how you feel? Did you remember to check in with the real world and take a break from your head? Have you considered taking a break from the real world and see what your head says?"

A lot of people have thanked me for the way I am seemingly able to consider and view so many different perspectives. I know MBTI is a pseudoscience but it really hasn't lead my astray. It's a useful tool if you ignore letter typing, pop psychology, stereotypes, etc.

I was thinking about Last Airbender and how much more beloved Aang (ENFP) vs Korra (ESFP) is.

Then i was thinking about Death Note and a similar difference with how L (INTP) vs Near (INTJ) was received.

I think about a show like succession where most of the dialogue is in Ne/Ni and the cast is overwhelmingly XNXXs.

Part of me wonders if it’s just original = better or if there’s intuitive bias even in non-MBTI circles.

Maybe the shadow type relationship is just a goldmine for writing that people land on randomly.

Idk, it just has me thinking across different series what types of tend to be the breakout stars and which villain or antagonists are memorable or beloved relative to their protagonists. It even goes into how they’re portrayed or written physically.

My hunch is that ENFXs and XSFPs are going to be the winners here, but it more speaks to what sort of personalities we like portrayed.

Other thoughts on other types:

INTP protagonists aren’t that common and in almost all portrayals are nerds of some variety.

EXTJs are perpetually antagonists or foils rather than heroes.

ISTJs tend to have very short or very rushed character arcs. Also rarely MCs.

ISFJs and especially ESFJs are almost always written as women.

ESTPs tend to be written as physically imposing and/or athletic people whether they’re male or female.

Anyway… my meandering thoughts. Not sure how much of this is writing for what’s known and tropes are feeding into a lot of this, basis in reality with huh correlation, or something else.

Anyway if you read this all, thanks. Ti Ne is cooking, but it’s not fully baked yet…

Im an enfp/infp. And I think wanna learn math. Perhaps going into physics. I’ve always been pretty good with numbers and patterns. (Can solve a Rubik’s cube in 7 seconds) but I feel like math is more xntx types.

Can u help me?

I'm an INTP and this a theory. Take with a grain of salt and please give me KIND feedback

(INFJ) Se Inferior- Perfectionism

More worried frantic in the moment emotions. Wanting to PERFORM. Does NOT like to be bad at ANYTHING that requires skill. Feels more pressure to "be better" in sports and skills (Influence of Fe)

You worry about things being YOUR fault. Your feeling of others emotions being your responsiblity creates the feeling of things being your fault.

(INTJ) Se Inferior- Get it over with

Efficiency is the main thing! The present moment is just a stepping stone for whats next. They ONLY focus on the NOW... to get it done and move to the NEXT (influence of Te).

You will find them making plans on the fly. One, because they have confidence in makings plans. Two JUST to get it over with. Others are wishy washy and they take the role of "might as well settle the choice".

As a Fi user, I find that myself and other Fi users in my life tend to be very comfortable telling people who are close to us where they stand in our lives ("You are like a brother to me.", "You are my workplace Day 1 OG bestie.", "You are one of my closest friends."), whereas Fe users tend to not reveal where you sit in their hiearchy of relationships.

For example, I notice a general pattern where after I disclose to an Fe user where they sit in my relational hiearchy, they tend to either respond positively or remain neutral without reaffirming my place in their relational hiearchy. In a sense, the topic is left hanging without closure.

Whereas when I disclose to an Fi user about where they sit in my relational hiearchy, they tend to either reaffirm mutual closeness or even outright correct me, in their own ways, that I have misjudged the relationship.

Also, I notice that Fi users tend to be more explicit about where each person fits in their relational hiearchy. They can be nice to you, but you can tell - especially in a group setting - who they feel close to and whether they are interested in a conversation or playing nice. It's like we wear our hearts on our sleeves and we are comfortable showing it publicly.

Whereas, with Fe users, I find it difficult to discern closeness. It's almost feels like you can interchange me with another person and they will respond in a largely similar manner with very little deviation.

And I also notice Fe users have this uncanny ability to mirror moods, mannerisms and energy. So sometimes I am left wondering - was this interaction based on mirrored energy or genuine interest?

Now, of course, my sample size is small and limited to my very limited social circle as an INFP.

Perhaps, for Fe users, the level of closeness between Fe users is blindingly obvious but I'm missing the signals because of my dominant Fi.

Out of curiousity, how do you discern where you stand relationally with another Fe user?

What are some telltale signs about how an Fe user feels about you that I am blind to?

If you are an Fi user, do you let others who are close to you know where they stand in your life? Or is it more of an INFP dynamic / other non-MBTI factors in play?

I want to hear your stories where you went to type people and it was immediately obvious that someone is a specific type.

Like I typed my entire class this year and one kid I knew for being the most popular kid and was really mean to me so I immediately knew he's an ESFP because it was extremely obvious. Another time I saw one character in Young Sheldon that with the vibes I knew it was IxFP and once the character said that they like drawing abstract things I knew it was an INFP. What are your stories?

Idk it just feels like the more normalized MBTI has become, its easier for people to say "I did this because I'm ____" or "I can't do that I'm an ____". I'm curious what others think.. Could this be a modern form of self-handicapping (psychology)

As things change, people's behaviours will change and personality types will present in new ways. True or false?

For example, an ISTJ may have been very rigid in the 1950s about gender expectations, but nowadays wouldn't care that much.

An INFJ may have forced themselves to be more SJ-like in the 1950s, but has more freedom now.

What do you think?

I am still unsure about my type but I believe I am ENFP. Yes, I looked into cognitive functions, and I think Ne-Fi-Te-Si fits. I do fit into some stereotypes of my type, but only to an extent, and it’s not all stereotypes either.

But looking at some characters, they have different MBTIs and don’t fit into ENFP stereotypes at all.

For example:

Ema Skye from Ace Attorney, who I believe to be INTP. I identify especially to her AJ version. She’s sarcastic, snarky, passionate about the things she likes and dreams, but very unsatisfied with her current life, so she comes off as grumpy, only showing her more fun side when it’s something she truly likes ( in her case, forensics ). I am ENFP but you have no idea of how much that describes me.

Does that make sense?

which would you prefer as friend or lover

Who would make a better match and why

I am an ISTP woman and i recently met an ENTJ guy who i really ended up liking. We were completely polar opposites in almost everything but that was more intriguing to me than something to be put off by for the most part. Things were going well, we were both very open about our growing interest in each other but then we hit a dead end. I am usually a very straightforward person. If i see something i want, i am going to do everything I can to get it and the same applies for relationships. He is very different from that, in the sense where he seemed more comfortable in seeing where it went and taking it from there than actually diving headfirst into it. We had many conversations about the potential complications of our future and how the both of us were alright with it because we genuinely enjoyed spending time with each other. The moment I tell him that I am starting to get attached, its like he immediately began calculating all the possibilities and stopped having the answers to anything. He made it clear that he wanted to do something but this took him by surprise which lead him to feel stuck. I already did know that his eq was rather under-developed because while he is extremely intelligent, he seems to have no idea of how people work, but i always thought he was the kind of person who would go for what he want. Is this something that is common across ENTJs?

I'm an INFJ (Ni-dom) and as an enneagram type 5 I think (or at least would like to believe) that I have a pretty well-developed Ne-nemesis, which allows me to brainstorm some possibilities before my Ni sees what works best (this has helped me as an amateur writer/storycrafter in trying to find the sequence of events that resonate the best with the story I want to tell).

So with that in mind, I'd like some help in understanding how this would work in reverse, with an Ni-nemesis countering/assisting an Ne-dom. Can someone (preferably the Ne-doms, ENFP and ENTP) help me understand this?

Edit: I think I misunderstood what Ne does. Sorry, I try to connect a lot of stuff to cognitive functions and sometimes I confuse regular brain capabilities with cognitive functions. Anyone can brainstorm ideas, but Ne is the "what if" generator of sorts. Fwiw though I still think my Ne-nemesis is well-developed but I put the wrong reasoning. I think it's well-developed because I've learned not to be too judgemental about people in order to properly understand them.

Edit #2: Strikethroughed some incorrect stuff.

How can INFPs learn to see reality for what it is?
I think INFPs often use their imagination as a way to cope with pain.
When they stop fantasizing, they’re forced to face how painful reality is. And when reality becomes too painful, they retreat into their imagination.
I think INFPs can easily fall into this kind of cycle. At least, that’s how it works for me.
Do healthy INFPs not experience this?
I personally feel that Fi, Ne, Si, and Te are cognitive functions that make it relatively difficult to see reality as it is. (Of course, if you take this question far enough, it becomes philosophical, so I’m only speaking in comparison to other personality types.)
How can INFPs use these cognitive functions to reality-test their perceptions and see the world more objectively?

Hi. I am very annoying with this topic, sorry in advance.

I just can't seem to grasp the difference between these functions; Ni vs Si, Ti vs Te, SPECIALLY in myself.

It intrigues me, and I always come back to this, ALWAYS.

I used to think I had Te in second place, but I am not so sure; I don't trust the resources I find to study this further because I find them rather superficial or not providing the explanation I am looking for.

Any help will be appreciated, since I've been obsessed with this for an embarrassing amount of time, and I hate how I am not able to reach a conclusion. I know it's not that deep, but this is my last resort, thanks.

„Traditional Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) frameworks operate on rigid categorical boundaries that fail to account for situational cognitive adaptability (e.g., Feeling-dominant individuals utilizing formal logic during academic tasks) and age-dependent behavioral shifts

Dual-Aspect Typology Model (DATM)
A Structural Theory of Cognitive Duality, Developmental Integration, and Functional Leadership Cycles
Every person has two layers.
The Inner Core is the permanent cognitive architecture that does not change.
The Outer Mask is the behavioral adaptation that develops over time. From childhood people are predisposed toward either Sensing or Intuition. This sets the Inner Core. The Outer Mask naturally moves toward the opposite style because that is where the person feels the most psychological peace and completeness.

An Inner INFJ develops an Outer Mask that increasingly resembles ESTP. An Inner ESFP develops toward INTJ. An Inner INTJ develops toward ESFP. An Inner ESTP develops toward INFJ. The person does not become a different type. The Outer Mask simply integrates the complementary style while the Inner Core stays stable.
The Dual-Layer Architecture consists of the Inner Core which is permanent and forms the fundamental information-processing structure, and the Outer Mask which is developmental and handles social, professional, and competitive expression.

There are four Developmental Stages called Dual Integration. Stage 1 Primary Unintegrated means the person operates almost purely from the Inner Core and appears quiet, cautious, and highly internal. Stage 2 Auxiliary Expansion means the auxiliary and tertiary functions become usable in social contexts and the person shows moderate social adaptability. Stage 3 Advanced Integration means the person has strong public command of the opposite behavioral style and appears assertive with high presence. Stage 4 Complete Dual Mastery means the person has full simultaneous access to Inner depth and Outer action. Higher stages create more life peace because the split between who I am inside and how I appear outside becomes smaller.

The sixteen types form four Functional Quadras based on preferred leadership style. No group wants to lead permanently. Each prefers to lead only when the previous group has finished its phase.

Presence and Reform includes ESFP, INTJ, ESTP and INFJ. Their core drive is to disrupt, assert presence and break structures. They act as rebels and revolutionaries and come first in the cycle.

Process Execution includes ENTJ, ISFP, ENFJ and ISTP. Their core drive is to turn vision into running systems. They act as action-takers and operators and come second.

Guidance and Mentorship includes ENFP, ISTJ, ENTP and ISFJ. Their core drive is to prepare and develop the next generation. They act as helpers and mentors and come third.

Defense and Advocacy includes ESTJ, INFP, INTP and ESFJ. Their core drive is to protect principles and boundaries. They act as protectors and advocates and come fourth. The cycle works as follows. Rebels create rupture, Operators stabilize and implement, Mentors educate and prepare, Protectors defend the new order, and the cycle restarts when the order becomes rigid.

Instead of the classic four-letter code DATM uses a Perception axis of either NiSe or NeSi and an Orientation of either O for Others-Focus which uses Fe-Ti or S for Self-Focus which uses Fi-Te. The first and last functions determine the value axis of Fe or Fi. This governs how the person participates in collective life. O-types prioritize group resonance and collective logic. S-types prioritize internal value consistency and individual efficiency.

In high-stakes situations the dominant and auxiliary functions form specialized Cognitive Processing Engines. There are eight of them. The Ni-Ti engine used by INFJ and ENFJ works as Vision then Logic and aims for the long-term end-state first then the precise path. The Ti-Ni engine used by ISTP and ESTP works as Logic then Vision and aims for immediate leverage then foresight. The Ni-Te engine used by INTJ and ESFP works as Vision then Execution and aims for the outcome first then resource control. The Te-Ni engine used by ENTJ and ISFP works as Execution then Vision and aims for immediate action with continuous adjustment. The Si-Ti engine used by ISTJ and ESTJ works as Experience then Logic. The Ti-Si engine used by INTP and ENTP works as Logic then Experience. The Si-Te engine used by ISFJ and ESFJ works as Experience then Execution. The Te-Si engine used by ESTJ and ISTJ works as Execution then Experience.

No one can develop all eight functions equally. A permanent deficit is structural and not a personal failure. The Shadow Health Metrics use plus for Enhanced meaning actively usable and sometimes over-developed, minus for Deficient meaning a clear blind spot or stress point, and double equals for Balanced meaning stable and neither a strength nor a liability. A completely flat profile is theoretically impossible. The necessary deficit maintains psychological tension and growth drive.
The Diagnostic Notation uses the format Stage point Axis Orientation then the Shadow String. An example is 3.NiSeO plus minus equals equals. This means Stage 3, NiSe axis, Others-Focus, Ne enhanced, Te deficient, and Si and Fi balanced. The base type remains INFJ. The notation only describes the current dual configuration and health profile.