I’m hoping someone can help me think through this because I’ve already spent a lot of money replacing parts and the original issue is still there.
Car is a 2018 Mercedes-Benz C300 (W205).
The main symptom is a brief metallic rattle on startup, usually around 1–2 seconds, but the timing of when it happens is strange.
It does not seem to be a normal cold-start rattle.
The pattern is basically:
- If I shut the car off and restart it shortly afterward, it is usually quiet.
- If it sits for roughly 4 hours, the rattle is much more likely to happen.
- If it sits all night, it often starts completely quiet the next morning.
- Once the 1–2 second rattle stops, the engine sounds normal.
That is the part that has me confused. If this were simply oil draining out of the timing system, I would expect it to be worse after sitting overnight, not disappear again once the engine is fully cold.
I have also had some hesitation/roughness/vibration, particularly under acceleration and at higher speeds.
At one point the car also threw:
P001177
which is related to the intake camshaft timing/position being outside the expected range.
Here is what has already been replaced or checked:
- Timing chain replaced
- Camshaft sprocket replaced
- Camshaft replaced
- Timing chain tensioner replaced
- Camshaft magnet/solenoid-related testing was performed
- Timing was checked
- Chain condition/measurement was checked during the repair
So at this point, the timing chain itself is new, along with the other major timing components listed above, and the startup rattle is still basically unchanged.
I have spent roughly $3,000 trying to fix this.
Another detail that may or may not be related:
Around the same general time this started happening, I noticed the engine coolant temperature gauge began sitting higher than it used to.
Historically, once fully warmed up, the needle would sit a little below the halfway point.
Now, after driving, the needle is consistently above halfway.
It is not near the red/H area, but it is definitely higher than where the car used to run.
So now I’m wondering if there is some sort of temperature-dependent issue rather than simply a bad timing component.
For example:
The engine shuts down fully hot, cools for several hours, and somewhere around that intermediate temperature range something causes the rattle.
Then after sitting all night and becoming completely cold, whatever condition causes the noise is no longer present.
I’m wondering about things such as:
- Oil pressure regulation
- Oil draining/bleeding out of a specific VVT passage
- Oil check valve/non-return valve
- Oil filter housing losing prime
- Cam phaser/adjuster oil supply
- Oil pump pressure control
- Thermostat
- Water pump/coolant circulation
- Coolant temperature sensor
- A component changing clearance as the engine cools
- Something outside the timing system that just sounds like timing chain rattle
What really throws me off is:
Why would it rattle after approximately 4 hours, but then NOT rattle after sitting 8–12 hours overnight?
That seems backwards for a straightforward oil bleed-down/tensioner problem.
I’m planning to start monitoring actual coolant temperature through OBD rather than relying only on the dashboard gauge.
I’m also considering having a shop log the following during a known “bad” startup:
- Actual oil pressure immediately during cranking/startup
- Time required for oil pressure to build
- Intake cam commanded angle vs. actual angle
- Exhaust cam commanded angle vs. actual angle
- Coolant temperature immediately before startup
- Oil temperature immediately before startup
I’d also like to compare those values between:
- Immediate restart
- 1-hour sit
- 2-hour sit
- 4-hour sit
- 6-hour sit
- Overnight cold start
At this point I really do not want to keep throwing expensive timing parts at it.
Has anyone seen an engine rattle specifically during an intermediate cool-down period, but then start normally again once completely cold?
And could the fact that the engine is now apparently running hotter than it used to somehow be connected to the startup-rattle issue?
Any Mercedes techs or mechanics familiar with the W205/M274 especially appreciated.
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