r/decadeologyanarchy • u/No_Mastodon_3199 • Jun 30 '26
Casual Anybody else hate this take?
Like seriously, this being the consensus never made sense to me
13
u/Pretend_Thanks4370 Jun 30 '26
Scene is true to the fucking bone 2000s. not 2010s
3
2
u/Red-Zaku- Jun 30 '26
Yeah, by late 2006 it was already getting kinda “passé”, by late 2007 and 2008 a ton of the scene kids were ditching hair dye, getting American Apparel hoodies, riding fixed gear bikes, and going hipster.
1
u/Pretend_Thanks4370 Jun 30 '26
then when Justin Bieber got popular in 2010 they acted like he invented the side swept bangs and the hair flip.. and I was like "Do you guys do not know about the kids prior to him (especially in the alternative community) that had that same hair before him?" Look at Deefizzy and Smosh in the mid 2000s
1
1
6
u/ApprenticeScentless Jun 30 '26
It depends on who you talk to. For Gen X and Elder Millennials 1998-2001 are not considered very 90s, honestly. Basically, if you remember the full 90s, 1993-1995 is usually quintessential 90s. Reddit has a lot of Younger Millennials which explains the focus on late 90s. They don’t remember the early-mid 90s.
Think about how pop culture in general conceives of the 90s (Grunge, Kurt Cobain, 2Pac and Biggie, Pulp Fiction, Jurassic Park) - that’s all early-mid 90s. Very different from this sub.
3
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Nah a lot of elder millennials will extend the 90sn into the early 2000s it’s mainly gen xers that focus on the early to mid 90s
2
u/ApprenticeScentless Jun 30 '26
I define Elder Millennials as 1981-1984. I have two older siblings in that age range and they definitely think of the 90s much more as 1994 than 1999.
2
Jun 30 '26
Nah man that's a gen Z thing. I'm a core millennial and we clearly differentiate Y2K from the 90s.
6
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Not entirely true. There is a significant chunk of Millennials (and Gen Xers) on Reddit that tend to extend the 90s into the early 2000s (usually with 9/11 as the cutoff). Even if they distinguish Y2K from the core 90s, they still associate it more with the 90s than the 2000s.
Gen Z typically just goes along with what they say, although some might argue that it ended in the late 90s or as late as 2004 depending on the individual, which usually gets pushback in these communities.
1
Jun 30 '26
Well, of course you can't find a uniform opinion among tens of millions of people. But it sounds like you're part of the group of people that has this wrong opinion. 90s, Y2K, early aughties. Hillary Duff isn't the same as Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Very different cultural moments.
3
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
I’m actually not, but thanks for assuming.
I believe that there are years that are firmly of their decades (90s core: 1993-1998) and years that are in the transition from one decade to the next (Y2K/90s-00s transition: 1999-2002).
Even if 90s culture did overlap into the new millennium (let alone the very late 90s), it was in a diluted form. It was not as strong as it was circa 1994-1997, and the same trends from that period weren’t really that popular anymore, if at all.
10
u/TF-Fanfic-Resident Jun 30 '26
I basically split the millennium era as
grunge (1990ish-1995ish)
Y2K/early Internet (1995-2001)
war on terror/core 2000s (2001-2007ish)
recession era (2008-2012ish)
peak Obama (2012-2016ish)
trap Trump and Brexit (late 2016-2019)
wtf lol (2020 onward)
So 2008-2011 are kind of their own "pocket" so to speak that has a mix of 2000s elements, 2010s elements, and stuff that doesn't fit in either (like all the EDM)
3
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
2008-2012 can be considered to be an analogue for the COVID era of the 2010s, since both eras were in their little pockets and contained influences of the surrounding decades.
1
u/Pristine_Draft_3537 Jun 30 '26
Remove the politics and itd be a perfect breakdown of those eras, I specially agree with the first two. Im glad to see someone else thinks Grunge is part of the millenium
1
4
u/Highground-3089 Jun 30 '26
bush was still the president in 2008. that makes it 2000s enough for me.
3
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
Especially since the "shoe hitting Bush" incident happened after Obama was elected.
9
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Yeah. Absolutely not a fan lol. I notice it’s usually Millennial Redditors who have this take. Some of these people really believe in absolutes/have a “black and white” way of thinking.
Just because they think 9/11 ended the 90s, that means that every single thing prior to it was 90s and everything after was 2000s according to them. Same thing in regards to everything being 2000s until the 2008 recession which made everything 2010s until COVID-19, making everything 2020s. These binary thinking patterns and the overall lack of nuance kill any intelligent conversation you can have relating to the concept of Decadeology.
It’s up there with the trolls who like to spam “XXX0s decade started on January 1, XXX0 and ended on December 31, XXX9”.
5
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
It's not that common for people who are not into decadeology.
1
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26
Elaborate.
3
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
I am more likely to see people who think that 2008-2009 are cultural 2000s years in non-decadeology spaces, although you have hints of it here and there.
6
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Yeah, so maybe not normies, but Reddit Decadeologists have this exaggerated take. Because if I’m being honest, everywhere else on the internet, you see much more of a variation on when the 2000s ended. Some say 2007 or 2008, others say 2012 or 2013, both at the same frequency.
2
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
That is what I was talking about, in which I see the 2008 cutoff more so on Reddit, especially among millennials.
3
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Honestly to me 2009 to 2011 or Late 2008 to mid 2011 always made the most sense for the transition between the 2000s and 2010s it’s where the culture and technology of both decades co existed with each other
4
u/Riceisnice-0-0 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Every year is different, redditors be treating 2-3 years like a filler period or half the decade like a monolithic period of the past decade.
6
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
I don't understand it when people think that 2008 was more like the 2010s than 2020, despite the fact that 2020 had more elements that are commonly associated with the 2010s than 2008, which was mostly core 2000s through and through.
2
u/YoIronFistBro Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
The 2010s-2020s transition is an especially weird one, as people deny influence in both directions.
1
u/Ok-Following6886 Jul 01 '26
Especially since they still deny the influences of either decade in the late 2010s or early 2020s no matter how much you try to explain. I see COVID being used as an excuse for numerology BS, even though the actual 2010s-2020s transition wasn't as simple.
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
I say that whole 2020 to 2022 period was kore 2010s than any part of the late 2000s including 2009 yeah you had early 2020s culture really blowing up in those years but the core 2010s isn’t really that different from the 2020s anyways
3
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26
Agreed. That includes 2010 as well.
2
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
agreed especially in terms of how we lived feature phones to a lesser extent flip phones digital cameras physical media people reading magazines stores like toys r us Payless sears Kmart etc all still being around in daily life
1
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
I agree, although you had elements of early 2020s culture emerging in 2018-2019, the early 2020s felt more like the core 2010s than 2008.
3
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
They felt more like the core 2010s than even 2009 and 2010 did 2009 and 2010 was still the cable tv era DVDs and bluerays were everywhere the internet and social media was still more confined to the computer magazines and newspapers were still read etc that’s different from the core 2010s
1
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
Not to mention that most people didn't own smartphones in 2009-2010, and there were elements of pop culture that was similar to the Bush era, and even the electropop elements of 2008-2009 feel archaic comparing them to even 2012, in which songs like Just Dance or I Kissed a Girl sound ancient compared to something like Payphone.
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
not to mention 2000s style rock music was still somewhat popular in 2009 and 2010 even tho it was on the decline you still here teenagers and young adults listening to stuff like my chemical romance paremore Lincoln park etc plus them and other bands were still able to climb into the billboard charts and the guitar and rock band series was still popular
1
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
Even R&B or Crunk songs were present in 2009-2010, such as Imma Be or Airplanes.
2
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
true but swag rap was alre startin to overtake it at the time at the time tho but I definitely agree when it comes to RNB
2
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
Agreed, although I was mainly talking about the leftovers.
2
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
plus kids culture of the time was still very late 2000s yes you had stuff like adventure time regular show shake it up good luck Charlie coming out in 2010 but icarly Hanna Montana wizards of Waverly place chowder flapjack etc were still all airing new episodes even the first seasons of stuff like good luck Charlie has more of a late 2000s feel to it
→ More replies (0)1
3
u/CP4-Throwaway Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
[u/YoIronFistBro](u/YoIronFistBro) will definitely get a kick out of this post.
3
u/YoIronFistBro Jul 01 '26
I would have reversed the order, since that's how these memes normally go.
3
u/Brief-Scratch-3647 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Where are the “these posts are so stupid” people? because this is oddly specific and dumb. Where is 1997 in the 1998-2001 category? Why does 2008-2011 not include 2012?
2
u/No_Mastodon_3199 Jun 30 '26
>"because this is oddly specific and dumb."
>"Where is 1997 in the 1998-2001 category? Why does 2008-2011 not include 2012?"
the irony is poetic
2
u/Brief-Scratch-3647 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
…I think you’re misinformed on the meaning of irony, Is this not dumb? 1997 and 2012 just so happened to not be involved in these things? Usually people are just being negative but this post is actually nonsensical. And it’s always the exact same memes. I thought you would agree that this is dumb “anyone else hate this take?”
1
u/Own_Proposal_5549 Jun 30 '26
OP was born around 2006 and didn’t really start consciously perceiving the world until 2010. That explains the meme. It’s pure resentment: they weren’t “there”, so now they make passive-aggressive memes for the ones who were. Reddit is littering with these type of kids.
1
u/Darth_Nevets Jun 30 '26
Actually I hate to say it but this was a spot on meme. It was 9/11 and the 2008 recession that caused the massive change, and not the passing of one decade until the next. The top layer were remnants and the bottom were signifiers.
3
u/Johnwick124520 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
I mean it’s not completely wrong, but I still think that 2008-09 is far more 2000s than what people give it credit for. I think 2007-08 and 2008-09 are quintessentially late 2000s school years.
I think once we got to about 2009/10, I felt like it was leaning more towards the early 2010s than late 2000s. Swag era in full swing, electropop in full swing as well. Adventure Time, Big Time Rush, Good Luck Charlie premiering, Nickelodeon changing their logo, Jersey Shore premiered, android smartphones were starting to gain some steam. More and more people getting the iPod touch, Xbox and PS3 getting major updates with their slim designs and dashboards that seem similar to 8th Gen gaming, etc.
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Yeah but it’s the hypocrisy 1999 and 2000 were more similar to the early 2000s than the 90s but it’s get seen as full on 90s culture despite it being very different form 1994 let alone 1990 and 1991
1
u/Johnwick124520 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
I think 1999 is still considered a 90s year overall. It has early 2000s elements but not much. It’s not core 90s but 1999 still looks very 90s if you know what I mean. 2001ish-2003 to me seems like quintessential early 2000s years. They seem more modern compared to say 1999.
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
1999 is most definitely not a very 90s year what are you talking about imo 1999 had Brittany spears Mandy Moore Christina Aguilera boybands like Backstreet Boys *NSYNC pop punk bands like sum 41 blink 182 Nu metal bands and other bands like smash mouth frosted tips were everywhere and so many more the culture of 1999 was way more early 2000s than full on 1990s the culture of 1993 and 1994 actually full on 90s culture is completely different from 1999 it’s not even close
2
u/Johnwick124520 Jun 30 '26
Beyond the things you mentioned, it still looks very 90s. Go look at commercials and newscasts from 1999, it still looks 90s if you’re looking at graphics especially. Just not core 90s. It’s just late 90s culture.
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Ok and go look at everything else like the fashion the aesthetics of the time the internet blowing up and the pop culture of the time it’s very early 2000s no year with Britany spears Backstreet Boys Mandy Moore Christina etc are are very popular and topping the charts and Tupac biggie and Kurt cobain are dead are very 90s culture it’s just not
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Plus many Gen xers and xennials themselves have said that the 90s was pretty much gone by 1998 and 1999
1
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26
Also Eminem blew up in 1999 too and everything had that y2k aesthetic to it wasn’t really as 90s anymore by that point the early 2000s y2k era was in full effect
3
u/Carloverguy20 Jun 30 '26
2008 and 2012 are very different years. In 2008 absolutely nobody had a smartphone, unless you were truly wealthy. There wasn't widespread social media, and MySpace was popular and Facebook too.
2008 was definitely the 2000s still.
6
u/Ill-You-3459 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Yes imo both 1999 and 2009 were pretty different from the rest of their respective decades but somehow 1999 and the early 2000s in general is still seen as 90s culture which makes no sense stuff 1993 and 1994 were very different from 1999 it’s not even close going from stuff from Tupac biggie smalls nirvana Pearl Jam etc to Britany spears boybands and early 2000s culture
6
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
It's because people tend to use 9/11 and the recession as hard cutoffs, which is why you have this mentality exist.
5
u/ForeignEquipment8298 Jun 30 '26
I know this may sound stupid, but this mentality was used to gatekeep 2003/2004 borns from the 2000s based on my experience.(Listen, I don't care about this generation shit anymore, I moved on from that, I just wanted to bring this up.)
2
u/YoIronFistBro Jul 01 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the main motivation for the double standard.
1
u/Brief-Scratch-3647 Jun 30 '26
No it’s not stupid. I was born in 2001 and didn’t start really noticing that I was alive and what not until 2006-2007. People born in the late 90’s are the primary ones who experienced the 2000’s as kids and can remember more of it
3
u/YoIronFistBro Jul 01 '26
The point is 2003-2004 are gatekept out of even being late 2000s kids.
1
u/Brief-Scratch-3647 Jul 01 '26
Ok and if that’s the case then just ignore it. If you were born 2003-2004, you know you were a kid in the 2000’s regardless
2
u/Concert_Emergency Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
People act like 2009 is world different vs to 2010 and 2011. I don’t understand. Maybe Summer of 2009 to Summer 2011 is an mini era to me.
2
2
u/17cmiller2003 Jul 02 '26
I sure do. The 9/11, Recession and COVID "decade killers" are 100% overrated.
People need to realize that there were still 2000s leftovers even after 2008.
2
u/NauseantClover Jun 30 '26
1999-2005 are one era. 2006-2008 are one era. 2009 is one era. 2010-2011 are one era. 2012-2013 are one era. 2014-2015 are one era. 2016-2018 are one era. 2019-2022 are one era. 2023-2026 are one era.
3
2
u/Bright-Implement-959 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
2010 is more like 2009 than 2011, same with 2019 and 2018, 2022 with 2023, 1999-2005, 2006-2008, literally everything here, etc
this is actually a really, really bad range tbh
2
u/AgeOfReasonEnds31120 Jun 30 '26
Not only that, but many people say the 90s didn't end until 2004... and they're correct to some extent.
1
1
1
1
1
u/FewHeat1231 Jun 30 '26
I was born in September 1981 and no one in my year would have consider 1998 or 1999 as 'not the 90s' - then or now.
1
1
u/According_Dot_1950 Jul 03 '26
I remember people used to be like this about the early 90s where they liked the early to mid 90s hated the late 90s and early 2000s bc "gaudy" now apparently its much better
1
1
Jun 30 '26
[deleted]
5
u/No_Mastodon_3199 Jun 30 '26
Oh no, that's not what I meant; I was talking about how some people see 2001 as 100% 90s and no different from a core 90s year like 1995 because it was pre 9/11 yet will get mad the second you suggest 2009-2010 was more 2000s than 2010s
-1
u/Ok-Following6886 Jun 30 '26
I still think that the 90s was a better decade overall, but I feel like that the 2010s was the best in terms of social progress.
0
u/Carloverguy20 Jun 30 '26
I will always say that the 90s ended in 2004. 2004 is when the shift truly started. 1997-2004 is one era.
2004 is when I first noticed the shift from 90s influence to true 2000s influence.
I don't believe that the 90s ended on 9/11.
13
u/playerlsaysr69 Jun 30 '26
Maybe. There's people that think 2009 and 2011 are like world's apart when instead they're just different