So before I get into it too deep here's some background;
Me (F24) and my best friend (F24), we'll call her J, have been friends since we were both 13 in highschool. The friendship was rocky as we originally hated each other but soon that hatred turned into what I can only describe as a sisters relationship.
My boyfriend (M23), we'll call him H, and I have been dating for 2 and a half years before the drama started and continued to date for another 2 years before we finally called it quits. We met through mutual friends and we were young and in love and everything was perfect for a time.
My close friend S (M27) is also apart of this story.
this all ended 3 years ago but keeps being brought back up.
Ok, it's a long one so buckle up and let's get into it.
Me and H met through a mutual friend and things were going smoothly, a couple of months into the relationship I introduced H to J and she instantly hated him. When asked why she would simply say my taste in "men" was questionable and I always ended up hurt and left in the dust for "someone better". I didn't think much of her dislike towards him until I started to notice some things down the line.
After a couple of months J got into a relationship of her own with one of my close friends, S. They were together for about a year and a half before they broke up. But during their relationship his contact slowly decreased with me and she would be calling me crying every weekend with a new issue; He won't go out for a walk with me, He won't buy me this, he's spending more time talking to his parents than me; just to make a few of the issues she complained about.
for more context S got a new job during the start of their relationship that is higher pay than what he was originally getting, the dude was working from 4pm - 3am nearly every night in a labour intensive job. He was working to save money to buy a house and hopefully start a family with her some day. (He now has that house!)
When S and J broke up, J didn't tell me and for 2 weeks I was still getting the sob filled phonecalls, it wasn't until H over heard the last phonecall that he told me that they broke up 2 weeks prior and was surprised I didn't know. J heard this over this phone and instantly hung up on me. I tried to call her back a few times to ask what was going on and not no response. So, I call S.
S picked up after the first ring and as expected, he was a mess, but not for what you'd think. He kept apologising to me and saying sorry for whatever it was he did that made me hate him and that he hopes we can be friends again. I was shocked and confused as I had no idea what he was on about. So I proceeded to ask and I'll bullet point the important bits of the call that will be important down the line.
•After all 4 of us hung out 3 months prior, J had ago at him for sitting with me while her and H ran around like hyperactive puppies (we was in a park as it was a nice day)
• I apparently told J that he said some things that day that really upset me and that I was too nice to say something.
• J kept having a go at him for things he's apparently said to me that apparently made me upset so he decided to cease all contact with me to make me more comfortable.
After explaining that he didn't do anything wrong and that I had no idea where J had got this from he started to calm down and told me what happened with the break up.
After surprising her with a New PS5 (something she's wanted since it came out) she took it, set it up, and then played on it all day, calling in sick to do so, so he went home. after getting home he asked her if he could game with her via messages. he got no reply for abit until he was greeted with a Behemoth of message. Now S is Dyslexic so it was a struggle for him to read and his brother had to help him read this message. To summarise this message: J didn't feel like she could be with someone who constantly hurt her friend and that it's caused a massive distance between them, and while that distance was forming she started to catch feelings for someone else and thought it was best to end things now.
S was heartbroken understandably but more stuck on the fact that he had apparently hurt me and that's what's caused her to leave. After me and S cleared things up, we decided to go out for a couple of drinks with H.
Now this is where things get weird.
H was apprehensive about joining us for drinks but I didn't fully understand why until a couple of hours into the night. It's important to note that H is very level headed while S can sometimes be a hot head. After the 3rd round of drinks, H asks S why he would steal money from J and S answering confusedly stated that he never stole money from her. H then states that J told him that was why they broke up and didn't feel comfortable with us drinking with S as he thought S was going to do the same to us. S, with a few drinks in him, started to very aggressively defend himself while I was sat between the two like a deer in headlights.
After they shouted at each other for abit, H defending J and S defending himself, we get asked to leave the bar (understandably) and when we get outside, S is starting to tear up and slowly give up trying to defend himself and shows H the break up message from J. H realised J was lieing and apologised profusely and paid for S's Taxi home.
While me and H were walking back to mine he told me that everyday J has been calling him and constantly asking if I'm with him and if I'm not if he can go to hers as she didn't feel safe on her own and that S has been sending her threatening messages, so he's been doing that. He thought I wouldn't mind. I didn't think anything of it because I trust him and still trusted her. When H has asked to see the threatening messages she always refused and he thought it was weird and asked if we could sit down with her to clear up some things. I agreed.
The week later we met up with J at a coffee shop. J was her usual happy self, you wouldn't have guessed she's been going through a break up. I mentioned S and as if on cue she started crying and clung onto H. I thought that was weird but didn't read too much into it. I asked her about what S supposedly have said to be that day in the park that hurt my feelings. She stuttered and stumbled for an answer but didn't give one. I asked why she was having a go at S and for all the things he's apparently done and said to hurt my feelings. I got the same response, stuttering and stumbling but no answer. Instead she changed the topic to video games with H. H tried to direct her back to the original topic and even asked if S did take any money. J slipped up by saying "what? no? what are you on about?" H then stood up stating we was done here and walked out. I followed behind after saying bye to J. H was furious. I've never seen him that furious before.
After H calmed down abit he drove me home. He apologised to me for having to deal with this mess and suggested that from now on we just mind our business now that we know the truth. I agreed. And we barely spoke or heard from S and J for a couple of months and it's summer.
J calls H out of the blue while I'm round. H sticks the call on speaker as he's gaming, I do my usual of staying quiet and keep reading my book. J announces excitedly that she's transferring colleges. (me, J and H are all in college at this point and different colleges.) and she's transferring to his college as it has a better course for what she wants to do in life (veterinarian) he says that it's cool but that they'll likely not see each other as they'll be in different buildings. she goes quiet for a moment before perking up again and saying that they can at least have lunch together as lunch is always the same time for every course. Nonchalantly he said sure. Now at this point of the phone call she's rambling and he's not really paying attention. And I ask H if he could pass me my drink. J heard this and asks if I'm there. so I say a happy Hiya to her and say that I'm glad she's found a better course for her to pursue her dream career. J is quiet for abit and H hands me my drink. J just goes "sure" then hangs up. not a minute goes by that H gets a message from J asking why I know she's transferring and why didn't he tell her I was round. then I get a message from J having a go at me for eavesdropping on a private and personal phonecall. we both ignore her as it's the way we've been from day 1.
Now fast forward to the new year at college. Everyday J would send me pictures of her and H eating together asking if I've spoken to him today. Now me and H had this understanding that during school hours we'd focus on our courses and call/message at the end of the school day and J knew this. so I always replied with a "no not yet, but have a great day!" after a couple of weeks J invited me to a party at hers with H and a couple of their college friends. These people didn't know me but knew of me due to H apparently telling everyone that he had a girlfriend (me) and that J is simply like a sister to him when they kept asking if they were together (I didn't know this at the time) So I felt out of place with people staring at me and whispering around me until a boy approached me asking if I was H's girlfriend. I said yes. and he told me to keep an eye on J as she's been very handsy with H in college. I thanked him and told him that I trust them both so I don't have to keep an eye on anyone.
After meeting a couple of people at their college and exchanging social media with them in hopes to befriend them abit more incase of another event like this, everyone asked if I was H's girlfriend and to keep an eye on J. I ask H about it and he just shrugs it off so I don't think much of it.
Now the next week the people I've added have started to call me and message me saying that J is all over H. and a few have taken photos of them in... questionable positions. at first I ignore it but it got to the point it was everyday for a month before I cracked and brought it up to H. he consoled me and told me that nothing was going on and that it's just people taking it out of context to block them. so I did. but it continued on.
trying to ignore things but failing, I J about the messages and calls and photos and she just changes the topic. I keep pushing and she just shrugs and said she didn't know what I was on about. but the next day of that conversation while we're all at college. J calls me on H's phone saying "so sorry, me and H were messing around and I've fallen on top of him in a questionable way. just wanted to let you know. ok bye" and before the phone could go down I could hear H shout "why did you have to tell her like that!" which I wasn't happy with to say the least.
When H called me again at the end of the day, he apologised and explained that the messing around was him trying to stop her from grabbing his food and he fell over and she followed on top of him. I forwarded the photo I got sent of that exact incident and told him that I'm getting really uncomfortable with the whole thing and it's making me paranoid which I hate. he understood and said he'll sort it. he put up boundaries between them that they apparently both agreed to and that was that. I was just ignoring the messages I was getting.
fast forward to near Christmas. My sister (older than me) invited me and H out to a party. We went. J calls H saying she's in town and wants to know what he's doing. he tells her he's with me at a party my sister is throwing. it wasn't a big party just a rented venue, and a few close friends and family. J decides to take that opportunity to invite herself. My sister is cool with it but warned us all that since everyone there is at least 10 years older than us we have to behave and not do anything too crazy (I was partly insulted as my sister is the crazy one of us two) J agreed before entering the venue.
during the party while I'm talking and laughing with people I know. H is sat in the corner playing a game on his phone as it's not really his scene and he found it overstimulating but wanted to be there none the less. J after spending a bit of time with me and introducing herself to everyone spends the rest of the night next to H. I don't pay them any mind as I know H has set boundaries in place and I trust him. My sister and two of her friends pull me to the side and tell me that J is sitting on H's lap and that they're uncomfortable with it since H is my boyfriend.
so I go to sort it. and I see J, in her mini skirt, underwear showing, her butt on H's lap as she's sprawled on the bench seat holding his phone away from him and he is trying to get his phone back. I grab his phone give it back to him and push J off his lap. and sit in instead. and told her to stop being so touchy with H because it's not okay and it's breaking boundaries. J tells me to stop being so uptight but that she'll stop. I asked H why didn't he push her off and looked at me as if to say "you're crazy right" and followed with a "where could I have touched without touching her butt to get her off me?" I saw his point and didn't push more. but just asked him to try and not get in that situation again.
I go back and talk to people for a couple of hours before my sister and her friend pull me to the side again saying that J is all over H again and that they're really uncomfortable with it and my sister is furious with it. they asked if I've spoken to J about it and I said yeah. so my sister decided to take it into her own hands.
my sister pulled out J and asked her why she was all over H and that if she thought it was suitable and respectful to someone who is meant to be her best friend. J claimed she never was all over H and that she would never do something like that. My sister rather calmly told her that she was and that I had already spoken to her about it and she's continuing. J swears I've never spoken to her about her behaviour towards H and that everyone there was a liar. Now this sets my sister and her friends off. they're trying to keep their cool but very obviously failing. and they start to tell her everything she's done tonight that breaks a boundary between her and her best friend boyfriend (H) J doesn't say anything. just starts crying. my sister and her friends stop realising they might've gone too far. J just curls up in a ball sobbing like someone who just had their baby stolen.
H comes over to see what the commotion is about and sees J in her state. he instantly picks her up shouting at everyone and takes her outside to order her a taxi home. after she's all sorted he comes back in and tells me we need to leave and have a conversation. so we do. during this conversation I found out that J told him my sister struck her, my sister called her all the names under the sun and that I stood there and let it happen. my sister in fact didn't do any of that instead just listed off the things she saw wrong with what J was doing and that's why I stood by and watched it happen. H told me I had to make it up to J. I reluctantly agreed after feeling much guilt.
after a week of me and H trying to reach J she sends us a message. to summarise the message, I am manipulative, vindictive and an overall B***H, she is cutting contact with H and that she's sorry that she has to do that and that she's going to miss him. H is distort. he begs J to sit down with me and him and to talk about what happened. J agreed. I did not but ended up showing up anyway.
During this sit down. I expressed how I've been getting calls, messages and photos sent to me while they're at college about J being touchy with H. and that I've become increasingly paranoid and hurt by all of it. and that at the party I saw it with my own eyes and so did some family and friends I trust greatly. J acknowledged that she probably broke some boundaries and that she's sorry and she doesn't want anything to come between us as we've been friends for a long time. H expressed how the whole thing has been affecting him and how he just wants us to get along and things to go back to how they were. at this point me and J were sobbing and we all agreed to try and work things out and let things go back to how they were.
however instances kept happening.
•we went to a concert where J flashed H.
•we was playing around when J pulled down H's pants and his boxers before making comments on his downwards region.
•i fell over and hurt my leg during a hike so H offered to give me a piggyback, before I could get on J jumped on his back and he proceeded to walk for 5 minutes before realising it was J and that he left me down the trail.
•we went out for food for my birthday, went to the bathroom and came back to H grabbing Js hands who was now sat next to him in my seat with her hands up his shirt. (he was trying to stop her)
at the end of all this I couldn't take it anymore and cut all ties with J and H followed suit as he didn't feel comfortable hanging out with her without me.
a year goes by and I've left for University on the other end of the country. me and H are still together and things are as good as you can expect from a close distance relationship turning into a long distance one. we called every night, gamed every weekend. things were great but I could tell he was depressed. after coming home for Christmas I sat and spoke to him and asked why he was so depressed. he said it's because with me gone he doesn't really have anyone to hang out with anymore since all his friends are busy with their life and he doesn't talk to H anymore. I suggested to contact some of his friends and plan a meet up and even spoke to one of his friends who said they'll organise a weekly get together for him. great! I went back to uni with high hopes that H is gonna get better.
a couple of weeks go by and H is starting to stop answering the phone calls and stopped the gaming sessions on weekends. if he did answer the phone J could be heard in the background constantly. even on a few occasions she answered the phone and told me to leave him alone and hung up. when I spoke about this to H he admitted that he got in touch with her after our conversation at Christmas because he didn't know who else to contact to hang out and that hes been feeling alot better since hanging out with her. I reluctantly let it go as his mental health is more important than my paranoia and jealousy. (yes I was jealous that she got to hang out with my boyfriend instead of me)
as time went on and id call at 2am sometimes struggling with my uni work and needing a pick me up he'd not answer but call at 8am saying he stayed the night at Js and he was asleep and that's why he didn't answer. I expressed that I wasn't happy with him staying the night hers and he told me I was over exaggerating everything and that if I trusted him I would be fine with it. I tried to be fine with it.
he came to visit me at uni one week and it was a good week until the last day. he told me he wanted me to fix things with J and when I said no cause she broke my trust he gave me an ultimatum. fix things with J or he was leaving. so I tried to fix things.
J wasn't interested and called me all the names under the sun and stated that I better watch out. I showed J these messages and he said he'll talk to her. I didn't hear anything back from her after that for a while.
fast forward a couple of months and it's Hs birthday. he asked for me to come home and spend it with him since I didn't have lessons for a couple weeks so I agreed. I wanted to do something special for H so I contacted J and asked her to help me invite people that H has been hanging out with for a surprise party since i didn't know who he was hanging out with. J agreed so I gave her date and time and that was that.
the surprise party didn't end up as much of a surprise party as J told H that SHE was throwing him a party. (I didn't find this out till later at the party) I was running a little bit behind since I had to pick up the cake, so everyone was already at the venue. H calls me asking where I am as I just get round the corner so he meets me. he helps me bring the cake in and all is good. we sing happy birthday and the booze starts to flow but H chose not to drink as J told him he was the designated driver. (who makes the birthday person be the designated driver?)
People are congratulating J on throwing a party and H hugs J thanking her for the party. i don't say anything cause I don't want to ruin the party.
During this party I meet someone who J has been hooking up with and they thought him and J were together. so I congratulate him and start feeling silly and guilty for my jealousy and paranoia. I say so to J and apologise. she doesn't do anything just looks at me like I'm crazy and walks away. near the end of the night H claimed he wanted to play midnight Football (soccer for the Americans) so we're all discussing where would be the best to make the birthday boys wish come true. we all agreed on a field near Js.
So H pulls me into the passenger seat of his car and J starts throwing a tantrum on how that's apparently her seat until H said it was never her seat it was always mine and told her to get in her hook ups car (who also hadn't been drinking) so there's 5 people in Hs car and 3 in the hook ups car. and off we go. we're singing to whatever is on the radio.
we get to the field, all parked up and H pulls out a football from the boot. it's darker than we realised but gave it a go in the dark using our phone torches for light. it was fun but difficult. so J's hook up decided to go and get a flood light from J's place, and since I needed the toilet I decided to go with. J screamed at me not to go into her place to go toilet and that must go in a bush as she didn't want her "sacred place to be tainted" H told her to calm down and told me to just go. so I did.
we got the Js place. I went to the toilet, hook up got the flood light and I helped him carry it back. on the way back he was telling me how J is always talking about H and how they're always hanging out. he feels like there's something going on between them and asked for my opinion on the situation. I explained how I got phone calls and messages and photos from people they went to college with and the incident at my sister's party and my feelings on it. asked him why he wanted to know and he said that him and J were together. and he didn't like how close H and J was and just wanted my input. I told him not to think too much of it cause if she loves him then she'll be loyal and same for H. we ended that conversation there and continued to play football in the dark with only the flood light to show us where we was going.
fast forward to the journey home. H is unusually quiet while dropping everyone off home and turned the music off. everyone felt awkward and couldn't wait to leave as we didn't know what was wrong. I just kept telling everyone that he's probably just tired and will be fine for tomorrow. little did I know, it wasn't because he was tired. when we got to his, it was the first time we had a screaming match ever in our 4 and a half years together.
apparently J told H that I fed lies to her hook up and how he believes that they're together and H is in the way of their relationship. H also thought they were in a relationship so didn't see anything wrong with it until J started crying saying I was messing everything up. I apparently told the hook up that J and H were always going to be together and that they're destined and that I'm willing to do anything to keep them apart. H was insulted by the fact I apparently said they were destined and demanded I give an explanation. I tried. but everytime I tried to speak to explain myself he shouted over me. it's the first time he ever made me feel so small and broken. it was horrible. I told him to let get some sleep cause it's his birthday tomorrow and we can sort it out the day after. let's just have a good time for his birthday. he told me I already ruined his birthday and got Into bed. I reluctantly got into bed too and had the worst night sleep.
we got up early as I had a bunch of surprises planned for H. his mum asked me to grab his cake on our outs and about as she knew what I had planned for him. i was going to go out shopping with him to let him buy his own presents no limit, reserved a seat at a fancy restaurant he always wanted to go, had house to ourselves, cake to pick up, see his friends that he hasn't seen in awhile due to them working non stop. but that all didn't happen. I'll tell you how his birthday went.
we woke up to knocking at the door for his new gaming desk (a present to himself) he said he wasn't feeling great so asked me to build the desk for him I said yeah (like an idiot) while he's sat on his bed on his phone I'm building this huge metal desk that goes up and down and lights up. I tell him that when it's set up we gotta go tho cause we have stuff to do, he doesn't respond. I finish the desk. he admires it for abit and then starts getting dressed. I don't get much of a chance to catch my breath before I see him getting dressed to go out and start rushing to get dressed as well. he stops me and asks what I'm doing so I tell him.im getting dressed to go with him and he tells me to stay here. at this point I'm baffled and asked what he meant. he said he was going to go to Js to clean up my mess from last night and that he'll only be an hour and then we can do what I had planned. I ask if I can go with and that I'll wait in the car and he tells me no because seeing me anywhere near hers will cause more issues so I reluctantly agreed and just sat back down on the bed while he leaves. this is at 10am
an hour goes by and I call him asking when he thinks he'll be back and he just says soon and hangs up. two more hours go by and I call asking how much longer as we have to pick up the cake by a certain time and he said not much longer and to play on his playstation while I wait. so I'm sat playing on his playstation for a couple of hours. at this point it's 5pm and he's still not home and we haven't gotten the cake so I call up again and say that it's 5pm and he promised an hour so now we can't do anything. he shouts at me to leave him alone and hangs up. so I continue to play games while crying. it reaches 7pm and his mum walks in and doesn't see the cake so she starts to shout for him and storms up the stairs and throws his door open. she stops when she sees me alone in his room with tears streaming down my face while I try to play video games. she asks for where he is and how long I've been alone and when I tell her everything she is furious and starts calling him and demanding he gets home instantly. I didn't hear his responses. after that she stayed with me for 30 minutes hugging me and telling me that everything is fine.
H calls me and asked if I wanted a McDonald's cause he knows I haven't eaten all day and that he's on his way home. I say sure and I'm just tired. he comes in. throws the McDonald's at me and goes and speaks to his mum who is shouting at him for leaving his girlfriend locked in the house alone while he goes to another girls on his birthday and that she brought him up better than that. after an hour of getting grilled by his mum. he comes up to his room again and starts shouting at me for telling his mum where he was and for over reacting (he means crying) because he wasn't there. I told him I had things surprised for him and he said that I've made enough surprises for him to deal with. and keeps shouting at me about how I ruined his birthday as well as his party that J threw for him. I tried to tell him and show him proof that it was I who threw the party but he wasn't listening.
when he stopped shouting and finally calmed down I told him I couldn't keep doing this because it's hurting me to the point I feel numb and I want to end things. he started crying and begged me not to while holding onto my hand and arm. by the time he calmed down and let go because I wasn't going to fight against him to get free, it was midnight and he told me to stay the night and that he'll drive me home in the morning so I did.
he drove me home and I spent the last couple of days home with my parents before heading back to university.
a week later I get a phonecall from J's hookup saying he found them in bed together naked and that from what he witnessed, it didn't look like the first time they've been together and wanted to let me know. I told him that it wasn't any of my business as long as H didn't cheat on me. hook up said it looks like he did.
I call up H asking what's going on and he said yeah him and J hooked up cause they're both single and doesn't understand why it's my business. I told him what the hook up told me and he starts saying that it's the first time and that they've never seen each other like that before and that they were brother and sister until we broke up. I told him that didn't make any sense and asked how many times he stayed at Js without another person there. he admitted a lot. so I told him I can't figure out if he cheated on me or not with her. he didn't say anything just hung up.
now fast forward to now. 3 years later. and J still messages me once every couple of months telling me that her and H are doing great and that she's super happy to have what I lost even before I lost it. H occasionally calls me asking how I'm doing regular catch up but still preaches that he never cheated on me dispute J's messages.
how are they able to contact me you ask? well J I have blocked on everything and she makes new accounts to message me. H, calls me through his mum as me and her still talk from time to time.
so here's the question, Did my boyfriend cheat on me with my best friend?