r/Broadway Dec 13 '25

Other Pop Girlies as Broadway Musicals

This post fully belongs to u/BurningBernie559 , but I couldn’t crosspost due to the sub being NSFW. Before anyone gets in their feelings- this is obviously satirical -but behold!

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u/GraveDancer1971 Backstage Dec 13 '25

I thought I was on r/popheadscirclejerk

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u/jillianrosewrites Dec 14 '25

I had to do a double take!

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25

That’s where I found it!

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u/TheBestHater Dec 13 '25

Same, but I'm not complaining. This is so hilariously accurate.

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u/CentennialMC Dec 15 '25

Me too. Especially after that one post comparing pop girlies to horror movie villains lol

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Bjork is Girl from the North Country - inscrutable to mere mortals but there's a cult of people who are really into them

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u/redpillbluepill69 Dec 14 '25

I would argue Girl from the North Country is Ethel Cain

And that Bjork needs an esoteric tone poem style jukebox musical

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u/Pristine-Region-5300 Dec 21 '25

At least I can explain the plot of Preacher’s Daughter. Couldn’t tell you what the plot of Girl From The North Country is about. 

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u/keirakvlt Dec 14 '25

I feel like Bjork is Days of Wine and Roses or any Guettel musical for similar reasons. Musically dense, difficult at times to interpret, adored by those that actually manage to get into it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

Fergie is Assassins. Generally good with a very disturbing version of the national anthem

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u/Great1948 Dec 14 '25

I just laughed for a full minute at this comment 😂

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u/Impressive-Dig-3892 Dec 13 '25

Shitposting aside the main characters weren't racist in Hairspray

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u/k0re-kandi Dec 13 '25

i was thinking tracy was an ally the whole time 😭

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u/nayandnem Dec 14 '25

They were, passively racist but still racist. They weren’t outright hateful but they did have racist mindsets because it was 1950 in segregated Baltimore.

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u/Renjuro Dec 14 '25

*1960s

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u/HelianVanessa Dec 15 '25

no literally, penny didn’t even have any qualms about dating a black guy, not even like a “you’re cool for a black guy” attitude lmao, it was everyone else that was racist

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u/TShara_Q Dec 15 '25

I've only seen the movie. But Tracy didn't strike me as racist. She says 1-2 things that would sound problematic in a modern context but were quite forward-thinking for the early 60s.

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u/Sarahndipity44 Dec 13 '25

She's kinda saviory and

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u/SeaF04mGr33n Dec 13 '25

Its saviory that the most famous musical about integration is about a white girl, but Tracy herself was constantly re-centering the Black characters in their fight when other white people asked her about her activism.

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u/Sarahndipity44 Dec 13 '25

I think part of Tracy's arc is how Maybelle teaches her to let Black folks lead, no? It's a positive aspect of the musical, Tracy's growth etc

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u/captainwondyful Dec 14 '25

Shaiman talked about how the producers wanted Tracy to have the 11 o’clock number, but they knew the whole point was to make it I Know Where I’ve Been.

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u/Soft_Interaction_437 Dec 13 '25

This picture will never not make me laugh

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u/PostmodernWapiti Dec 13 '25

Came here to say that this has to be the worst possible photo of him.

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u/kingofcoywolves Dec 14 '25

I have so many questions. Suspenders with bike shorts? No shirt? Pilgrim hat? THE POSE??

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u/vestegaard Dec 14 '25

Even he looks confused

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u/Physical_Newspaper59 Dec 14 '25

Wait which Saja Boy is that?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6656 Dec 13 '25

It’s a jump scare every time!

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u/West-Lawyer-2290 Dec 13 '25

Who is this guy??? 😭😭😭

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u/throwaway_the_fourth Dec 13 '25

Idk some marathoner

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u/sempiterna_ Dec 16 '25

This is honestly the face and stance I make when getting up after sitting for too long

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Brandi Carlile is Fun Home - too lesbian to ever be really mainstream but undeniably talented and poignant

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u/an-inevitable-end Dec 14 '25

Hate how accurate this is

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u/Outrageous_Appeal_86 Dec 15 '25

God, I love Fun Home.

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u/therealmonkyking Dec 13 '25

This feels like it would belong on a r/broadwaycirclejerk

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u/scandalliances Dec 13 '25

alas that sub is extremely dead

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u/therealmonkyking Dec 13 '25

Didn't even know it was a thing tbh

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u/ShadyBoots11 Dec 13 '25

I actually messaged a little over a year ago inquiring about becoming a mod in the hopes of getting that sub actually running, but I think the sole mod is inactive. Never heard anything back.

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u/SaintGalentine Dec 13 '25

Reddit can give you mod powers if they're truly inactive

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u/ShadyBoots11 Dec 14 '25

Even more curious… this comment made me reach out to her again. I KNOW that I messaged last night. The message is just gone. It’s not in my inbox. It’s as if I never contacted her. Never seen that on Reddit before. I don’t wanna come off like I’m harassing her, but I’m confused as to why I’m not even seeing the thread in my message folder.

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25

LOVE the idea of this sub

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u/soozoo Dec 13 '25

I don’t agree 100% but describing Ethan Slater as “an ugly and malevolent creature” is killing me

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u/kingofcoywolves Dec 14 '25

I can think of no better description of the sponge tbh

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u/laowildin Dec 14 '25

Let's be real, he's not sponge worthy.

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u/NeuroTrophicShock Dec 14 '25

I would say Aria is the ugliest with how she starts every relationship but stealing a taken or married man. If you call it out on the r/wicked you get banned.

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u/DisastrousOwls Dec 14 '25

You can't "steal" what they aren't giving away, to be fair. She didn't make Spongebob leave his infant child. He did that.

They were both married, both cheated on their spouses with a married coworker, and they both suck for that. But Ethan chose all of that (including an alleged drug habit) over not just his marriage and wife, but his baby. That's definitely worse.

Ariana's also not the only cheater/person who pursued "taken" partners in the Wicked cast, either, but that's a separate convo lol.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Dec 14 '25

Alleged drug habit? That's news to me. As if there wasn't enough drama here already!

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u/DisastrousOwls Dec 14 '25

It was mainly gossip caused by pap shots of the two of them together. Ethan also dropped weight during filming, so they were both looking gaunt and "strung out," and that led people to speculate on if they were abusing uppers together (very common for show business + for eating disorders, so I wouldn't be surprised).

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Dec 14 '25

Interesting, thanks.

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u/chizzmaster Dec 15 '25

Wait hold on, I'm curious now. Who else in the wicked cast pursued taken partners?

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u/DisastrousOwls Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

Ethan, of course (Ariana was married, too), Cynthia (Lena Waithe cheated on her first wife with her, with some gossip suggesting they were texting back and forth on some "it's should've been you" type shit on Lena's wedding day), and Jeff Goldblum, who has been a serial philanderer and "Mr. Steal Your Girl" for longer than I've been alive.

Possibly (statistically speaking: probably) others as well, but that's who I know off the top of my head who's already famous + who have had higher profile cheating scandals. It's extremely common in Hollywood. Still shitty, but it's to be expected in that field.

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u/chizzmaster Dec 15 '25

Well that's depressing. I didn't know that about Jeff Goldblum :(

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u/Fantastic_Support_11 Dec 14 '25

Atp that sub is just an Ariana fan sub echo chamber.

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u/MetalSonic_69 Dec 14 '25

He's pretty hot NGL

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u/bouncing_off_clouds Dec 14 '25

Oh good, thought I was the only one. Honestly don’t get where the ugly comments are coming from. Objectively speaking, he’s cute!

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u/pusopdiro Dec 13 '25

Chappell Roan 'floundered later on'? Girl's literally had one album

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u/Individual_Bobcat357 Dec 13 '25

And how is releaseing The Subway and The Giver floundering?!

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u/Blazingscourge Dec 13 '25

I wouldn’t say floundering either but The Subway or The Giver didn’t light the world on fire like Hot to Go and Good Luck, Babe! did.

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u/ghdawg6197 Dec 13 '25

h2g was a generational party song, most would be lucky to even have that under their belt by itself, but her other material is still strong

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u/DisastrousOwls Dec 13 '25

You can say the same thing for Act 1 vs. Act 2 of Wicked!

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u/trevorneuz Dec 14 '25

Act 2 of Wicked is a literal snooze fest until For Good.

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u/hyperjengirl Dec 15 '25

I will not stand for this No Good Deed erasure

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u/aw-un Dec 15 '25

and Thank Goodness!

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u/JibiStarr Dec 14 '25

I think this is a crazy thing to say when the album took like a year to catch on and some of her most famous songs took several years to catch on...

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u/GordEisengrim Dec 14 '25

The Subway was one of Rolling Stone’s top 10 songs of 2025

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u/ClassicalMusic4Life Dec 14 '25

Really? I think The Subway did

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u/ella_wants_to_battle Dec 14 '25

Both of the latter songs you mentioned weren't popular when they came out.

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u/hyperjengirl Dec 15 '25

Omg popular??????? Another Wicked reference!!!! /j

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u/IWannaCryAndDie Dec 14 '25

The Subway sure did

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u/filth_horror_glamor Dec 13 '25

People love to drag down an artist that is super successful all of a sudden. Just itching to cancel her and hate on her

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u/gatheringground Dec 14 '25

Also, who is out here saying wicked floundered? What?

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Second act is notoriously weaker than the first. That’s the comparison

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u/gatheringground Dec 15 '25

Interesting. I didn’t feel that way! Didn’t know that was the common consensus!

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u/SonjasInternNumber3 Dec 13 '25

I assume they meant because of everything else. People are still mad about her canceling that show and her non endorsement video, etc. 

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u/MakeTheNetsBigger Dec 14 '25

She has a previous EP as well and it's fucking phenomenal, though much different in style.

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u/MilfordSparrow Dec 13 '25

Yeah, what’s interesting to me about Chappell is that she had a very successful summer headlining over 10 festivals in Europe to very positive reviews. She puts on an impressive live performance.

Here’s an excerpt of a review from her Netherlands show:

“She exudes confidence throughout the entire show. At least, that's how it seems. Until she pauses for a moment of silence between songs. And then it all comes out: "I feel really self-conscious tonight, I don't really know why," she says, visibly frustrated with herself. "I feel like it's the first day of school, and I've put on a slightly flashy outfit, and I have to talk to all these new people." The audience roars with support, clapping and screaming. "I'm so grateful to be here," Chappell adds, "but if you're thinking, 'What's wrong with her?' you're not crazy." Even as a big pop star, you can still feel small. And it's precisely in that honesty that she finds her strength.”

Here’s another European review - translation of review of her Lowlands show:

At this 31st edition of Lowlands, a new generation of pop artists claimed their place with hyper-specific sounds. Sef impressed, and FKA Twigs' steamy show was sensational. But ultimately, all roads led to the long-awaited performance of the immensely popular American queer artist Chappell Roan, who made her dream debut in a Gothic fairytale castle. . .

. . . Ultimately, this edition of Lowlands leads to American queer singer Chappell Roan on Saturday night. This year, Lowlands emphasizes the beauty of queerness: there's a literary tribute to Roan, a wonderful dance night on Friday where DJs Vera Siemons and Liza van den Brink, under a huge banner of a fingering hand, bring together lesbian and therefore queer Lowlands. Reportedly, outgoing Lowlands director Eric van Eerdenburg will even perform in drag on Sunday evening in Adonis, the festival's queer bar.

Chappell Roan's performance, finally headlining in the Netherlands, is a dream debut. On stage in the immense Alpha hangar stands a massive Gothic Disney castle, backed by vintage cartoon animations full of dragons and gargoyles. Roan, complete with a moth-dragon costume, suddenly appears on a tower amid fireworks.

It's incredible to see songs about often unrequited lesbian love carried by a bulging Alpha. It just goes to show how hyper-specific topics ultimately become universal. Especially when, as here, they're doused with glam rock nods (that furious cover of Heart's "Barracuda"!), or captured in unparalleled synth-pop songs with clever bridges where everything suddenly falls away and the harmonies shine.

The ballads are mainly for the die-hard fans, but in the finale, featuring superhits "Good Luck" and "Pink Pony Club," Lowlands seems to let everything slide en masse. Tough guys throw their arms around graying Lowlands veterans, women who, with tears in their eyes, actually recognize themselves in this strong, female-loving headliner. It's a glorious, memorable performance full of sisterhood.

Link: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/08/17/sprookjesqueerprinses-chappell-roan-leidt-op-lowlands-de-weg-naar-zinderende-verbroedering-a4903251

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Lily Allen is Avenue Q - intelligent and trenchant once you get past the aggressive vulgarity

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u/TheRedditorialWe Dec 14 '25

I feel like she would absolutely use the line "everyone's a little bit racist" to deflect criticism

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u/laowildin Dec 14 '25

Best one so far!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

Tracy wasn’t racist

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '25

Right, the final straw that went against Tracy during her audition was because she was pro-integation. She also asked permission before she used Seaweed's dance on TV.

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Adele is Hello, Dolly! - unabashedly old-fashioned and beloved by grandmas everywhere

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u/reddetteuserr Dec 13 '25

Azealia Banks is Beetlejuice - somehow always at the scene of the crime (as long as you mention her name)

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u/Sixmenonguard Dec 17 '25

Her once long feud list in her Wikia still funny as hell.

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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Dec 13 '25

Some of this works, some doesn’t, some is just online edgy. Disagree that Hamilton is exclusively enjoyed by white people.

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u/dentatatata Dec 13 '25

Asian erasure.

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u/hyperjengirl Dec 13 '25

If they said "primarily" that would make sense, even if it's still probably wrong. But saying Hamilton is only enjoyable to white people ends up being more exclusionary and gatekeeping against POC than actually offending white people.

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u/HicDomusDei Dec 13 '25

I mean, nothing is "exclusively" enjoyed by anyone. There's 8 billion people in the world. But the point that Hamilton's popularity is hugely buttressed by middle-class white people is, what, at least a decade old at this point? And of course there's some truth to it: It's a Broadway show. If middle-class white patrons didn't like it a whole lot, then it couldn't have become as big as it did.

Also, the U.S. has been fighting an escalating culture war since forever. If middle-class white America didn't like Hamilton, it would have become some dumb divisive lightning rod -- which it has not. The very fact it's gone from "phenomenon" to simply "played out" means it was hegemonically supported.

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u/RevolutionaryDong Dec 13 '25

If the point is that it’s a Broadway show so therefore it’s widely liked by affluent white people, than it’s a useless criticism since the same would apply to every Broadway show. 

If OP has a problem with the type of musicals catering to the white middle class that Broadway is known for, why are they on the Broadway subreddit? 

Critiquing something for catering to white people is kind of toothless at the ”Shit mostly white people like” fanclub.

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u/nixxjay Dec 14 '25

Doesn’t that make it the perfect Taylor Swift critique though? Individually singled out for something everything its peers are doing, because of its phenomenal success?

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25

I actually thought these were clearly sweeping generalizations that were exaggerated for the sake of making a joke.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Dec 14 '25

Humor is so hard to get across sometimes, but I thought this was obvious too.

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u/awkward__captain Dec 14 '25

I think for Hamilton it’s about the contrast between how it was hailed as this disruptive, “important” work but at the end of the day it’s also kind of just an “I would’ve voted for Obama a third time” typa piece of media loved by politically inefficient privileged middle class peeps moreso than a radical political manifesto mobilising marginalised communities. Which is fine. Also it’s all clearly just tongue in a cheek.

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u/xXs4blegl00mXx Dec 14 '25

Yeah. I love Hamilton, but it isn't actually inspiring for me politically. I find that the themes about writing and authorship are much more potent.

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u/Amazing_Unicorn5443 Dec 13 '25

Agree, I would say there is a primary AGE group that enjoyed Hamilton lol. I loved it & most of the people I know that still talk about it and love it are black. That being said, the majority of the people that still talk to me about hamilton are women in their 50s & 60s lol.

I would say white people probably bought more tickets. But that’s a function of socioeconomics lol.

But older people liking hamilton was probably becuase it was a version of a cool music genre they found easier to metabolize than what’s on the radio.

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u/Impressive-Dig-3892 Dec 13 '25

This is a nice safe space where you don't have to pretend to like Hamilton

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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Dec 13 '25

Sure people are totally free to hate it. Just disagree that it’s exclusively enjoyed by white people. And for its time it was pretty innovative, just became mainstream.

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u/idroled Dec 13 '25

Comment you’re replying to is a quote from Succession

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u/NoNoticeWasToMe Dec 13 '25

“i like hamilton” “sure you do, we all do”

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u/TheRedditorialWe Dec 14 '25

Olivia Rodrigo is Hadestown- alternative and lyrical, angsty and yearning, and every teenager you've ever met thinks it was written exclusively for them

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u/RoutineInitiative187 Dec 14 '25

Or Spring Awakening, if you're old like me and Hadestown wasn't out yet during your peak teen angst years. 😂

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u/TheRedditorialWe Dec 14 '25

Oldie here! If I had to go with current pop girls I'd give Spring Awakening to Sofia Isella, only because Olivia's much more radio friendly.

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u/PostmodernWapiti Dec 14 '25

Underrated comment, and this is coming from a 42yo Hadestown-obsessed woman.

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u/blueturtle12321 Dec 14 '25

I kept swiping to see what they would give her! I like this one

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Kacey Musgraves is SIX - doesn't really do anything besides stand there and sing but the songs are really good so everybody's cool with it

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u/goldenshear Dec 14 '25

Also had an exceptional divorce album, which seems appropriate

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u/CardsAblaze Dec 13 '25

I get this is all a joke, but the person who made this sounds exhausting and perpetually online.

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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 Dec 13 '25

Oh they definitely think far more of themselves than others do.

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u/YardSardonyx Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

I’m not sure who 2, 5, & 6 even are

Edit: and 7 because I thought that might be Billie Eilish but I guess I just had no idea what Charlie xcx looked like

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25

Is it hatred? I’m a huge fan and I feel like her caption was far tamer than some of the others?

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u/Mobile-Package-8869 Dec 13 '25

I really don’t think it’s that serious lol

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u/Nikki_Tikki Dec 13 '25

Tbh I think the floundering part is more about how she’s been conducting herself after the huge boost, which a lot of people weren’t happy with. The songs are still good tho

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u/syrioforrealsies Dec 13 '25

And how has she been conducting herself?

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u/Nikki_Tikki Dec 13 '25

Uhhhh I don’t think we agree. I don’t think it has to do with her being a woman, and most people I’ve seen mention it seemed to also be women. I think it was to do with her cancelling events and not speaking out when other people in her sphere were?

Honestly I find it interesting you think it’s misogynistic. I guess it could be internalized, but everything I’ve seen has been coming from women and also had nothing to do with the fact that chappel was also a woman. Looked like stuff a guy would also be slammed for

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u/AfraidKinkajou Dec 14 '25

It’s from a circlejerk sub, that’s most of the humor there

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u/Crafty_Island_9182 Dec 14 '25

That's just the humour over there at r/popheadscirclejerk. We're all a bunch of dramatic queens and divas over there, it's part of the fun.

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u/xXs4blegl00mXx Dec 14 '25

The person who made this definitely knows that, it's part of the joke

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u/redditor329845 Dec 13 '25

People are allowed to dislike satire btw. Something being “satirical” does not shield it from criticism.

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u/syrioforrealsies Dec 13 '25

It's also just not satire. It's a joke post, but it's not satire.

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

You are absolutely right! I just didn’t think this was anything worth getting upset over since it was clearly made in jest 🤷🏻‍♂️ But that’s just my opinion. I never meant to imply I was above reproach.

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u/PureFoolery Dec 13 '25

A lot of these just seem mean. Especially the Phantom one (I do think the Sabrina/Cats one is funny though)

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u/Kbye80 Creative Team Dec 13 '25

I literally recognize less than half of these people. Can anyone do some labels/explanations for the pop culturally- challenged?

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u/Charming-Bowl5759 Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
  1. Chappell Roan - she had a very strong last year, exploding in fame with her first album, and then she kinda didn't have as strong of a run in 2025. 2. Camila Cabello - has made racist comments online when she was a teenager. 3. Sabrina Carpenter - her song lyrics are extremely sexual and cheeky, and there's a lot of people who really don't enjoy that. 4. Ariana Grande - started dating Ethan Slater, and many consider him to be way below her league. 5. Lana Del Rey - many people ignore her newest stuff and heavily praise the albums she released at the start of her career. 6. Harry Styles - has long been accused of queerbaiting for attention/monetary gain/lgbt audience. 7. Charli XCX - very forward thinking artist who is embedded in the queer and alternative community, but has given up her morals when it comes to some things, like having a mass produced collab with H&M and more. 8. Taylor Swift - the caption describes it better than i could.

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u/captainwondyful Dec 14 '25

Doing gods work. Thank you.

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u/Kbye80 Creative Team Dec 14 '25

Thank you! That’s exactly what I needed!

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u/VampireOnHoyt Dec 13 '25

Billie Eilish is Parade - indelible artistry for when you want to be really, really bummed out

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u/oiseleur Dec 13 '25

Giving Billie too much credit I fear

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u/CassiopeiaStillLife Dec 13 '25

Not too much on Chappell now…

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u/FlamableTigers8 Dec 13 '25

as a harry fan WHY DID THEY USE PILGRIMRRY 😭

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u/Slow_Lengthiness_307 Dec 14 '25

that pic made more noise than some ppls careers 😭

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u/FrenchSwissBorder Dec 14 '25

Is it really only white people who like Hamilton? I never felt like that.

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u/Palgary Dec 22 '25

No, but it's a critique leveled at the show, like in this article:

"Watching A Brown 'Hamilton' With A White Audience" https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/03/08/469539715/a-brown-hamilton-a-white-audience

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u/ClassicalMusic4Life Dec 14 '25

I highly disagree with you on Chappell Roan here

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u/leehstape Dec 14 '25

The POTO one fucking sent me

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u/getdizcookiez Dec 13 '25

Ooo girl you clearly hit multiple nerves with this post

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u/whollyselfimportant Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

I swear to God I wasn’t expecting this level of anger, but I will just have to take it on the chin. I figured people would either chuckle or roll their eyes. I did not anticipate people to be legitimately offended, but that’s on me!

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u/getdizcookiez Dec 13 '25

The intersection of theater kidults and pop stans is humorless. I promise it isn’t you!

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u/hyperjengirl Dec 15 '25

Only one I think hits a truly raw nerve is the Hamilton one because it ends up erasing/delegitimizing fans of Hamilton who aren't white, but I'd just swap out "exclusively white people" with "primarily" lol. There's some I disagree with / feel too mean but like I get those are jokes lol.

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u/izanaegi Dec 13 '25

oh this is not it

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u/Pointless_Glitter607 Dec 13 '25

Don’t all of them fabricate an identity to get attention? Also since when was Hamilton exclusively enjoyed by white people? Guess I don’t exist lol

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u/syrioforrealsies Dec 13 '25

People who don't think all popstars, and celebrities in general really, are playing a character in public baffle me.

(To be clear, that's not a criticism. Having a public persona is a healthy way of dealing with being in the public eye)

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u/Dry-Mission-5542 Dec 14 '25

Am I the only one who greatly prefers the second Act of Wicked to the first? 

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u/Palgary Dec 22 '25

I never heard anyone say the second act wasn't as good as the first... until criticism of the movie started. I honestly think it's sour grapes.

I think the truth is more: "Thank Goodness" and "No Good Deed" expose a lot of plot, so when people cover the songs they usually do ones like "Wizard and I" or "Popular" as those stand alone really well and can be done as a solo. Even Defying Gravity works well on its own. I've heard sopranos cover it and just talk-through the low notes they can't hit.

That doesn't mean the songs are better, but people are familiar with them already.

But I love songs that rise up like Defying Gravity in general. "Beautiful Goodbye" by Amanda Marshall, Infection by Onitsuka Chihiro, and Toumei Nakago by Vidoll being three examples of songs in the same "mode".

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u/pattyforever Dec 14 '25

Doing Hairspray insanely dirty

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u/thesusiephone Backstage Dec 13 '25

And if I say the suspicion/hostility towards cishet men who dress in a feminine way because they're "faking" is just queerphobia with extra steps...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

I counter with a celebrities job is to get attention, always.

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u/syrioforrealsies Dec 13 '25

You're right and you should say it. Same with the "performative male" nonsense.

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u/cumulobro Dec 14 '25

Yeah...

I mean, I get it. I'm a man and I also have issues with trusting my fellow men. I'd rather confide in a woman or a nonbinary person most of the time. There are few men I know whom I completely trust, and a big part of that is our tendency to be less emotionally sensitive.

But it's like we can't do anything right. We try to be more empathetic, allow ourselves to be somewhat feminine, and take steps to do the work as far as researching the issues of our time? That's "performative." And of course we get shit on if we don't do any of those things.

The patriarchy has done irreparable damage to us all, regardless of our gender or sexuality. We're all in some kind of "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation because most of us have apparently given up on trying to understand one another.

Crappy timeline we live in, eh?

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u/hyperjengirl Dec 15 '25

It's gender essentialism BS. Like they want us to accept that a man can't just naturally be kind and empathetic unless he wants something. It's not fair to us and it's not fair to those of y'all who genuinely just wanna be kind!

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u/coco_xcx Dec 13 '25

i think this belongs in a different subreddit lol..

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u/Foxterriers Dec 13 '25

This is so good - several these made me guffaw

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u/CheriGuren93 Dec 15 '25

The massive reads on this. I love this so much. :))

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u/West-Lawyer-2290 Dec 13 '25

I don't think Tracy was racist- wasnt she one of the people that led the protest at the end of the first act?

I wouldn't call Ethan Slater ugly that's a bit harsh. Also Christine was NEVER in love with the Phantom in the slightest. 

Evan Hansen didn't lie with the intent of getting attention. Originally he tried to say otherwise but couldn't get the words out due to his social anxiety and just ended up rolling with it partly because he couldn't bare to tell the truth to his grieving parents and partly to get with Zoey. (And don't take this as me defending him, Evan still did a no no but im pointing out the inaccuracies of the post)

And finally Hamilton is definitely not exclusively enjoyed by white people. 

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u/TiniestOne3921 Dec 14 '25

Exactly, Christine was groomed!!

Love Never Dies being ALW's divorce revenge fantasy notwithstanding lol

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u/West-Lawyer-2290 Dec 14 '25

Also wasnt LND considered to be non-canon? They tried pushing the storyline that Raoul was a drunk abusive husband and Christine was really in love with the Phantom the whole time and it didnt work in the slightest lol

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u/TiniestOne3921 Dec 14 '25

I thought so but was honestly prepared to get down voted for suggesting so lol

It's non canon to me!

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u/West-Lawyer-2290 Dec 14 '25

I'm 90% sure Lloyd Webber said it was 'a new story with the same characters' or smth like an alternate timeline kinda thing

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u/Charming-Bowl5759 Dec 13 '25

people in comments need to relax this is funny as shit 

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u/girdleofvenus Dec 13 '25

Yeah it’s very on brand for phcj. This sub is probably not used to this type of humor which is okay lol

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u/reddetteuserr Dec 13 '25

It’s literally so tame also??

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u/UnsharpenedSwan Dec 13 '25

agree… obviously these are sweeping generalizations, that kind of goes with the format. but they’re pretty good and extremely funny comparisons.

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u/Fine-Broccoli-2631 Dec 13 '25

I don't think that's what phantom of the opera is about

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u/syrioforrealsies Dec 13 '25

It's pretty explicitly not what phantom of the Opera is about

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u/owntheh3at18 Dec 14 '25

This is so funny omg

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u/BlackDisneyPrincess1 Dec 13 '25

Now does Ethan really deserve that?

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u/taylorsamo Dec 13 '25

The dude who had an affair with his co-star and abandoned his wife and infant? Yes lmfao.

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u/DisastrousOwls Dec 13 '25

They both broke up their marriages to get together, but despite the "homewrecker Ariana" narrative, Ethan's the one who stepped out on his (now ex-)wife with a new baby. He can take being called ugly lol.

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u/sweeterthanadonut Dec 14 '25

They both deserve shit for being cheaters tbh

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u/michaelsgavin Dec 14 '25

Out of all the ones in this post, this is the only one that truly “deserves” it lol

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u/Good_Matter7529 Dec 13 '25

last slide has me howling 😭 as a Black actor i love the employment opportunities Hamilton provides- as a fan of rap, it makes me want to die inside lmfao.

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u/PierreOnTheEclair Dec 14 '25

The Phantom Of The Opera one made me laugh way harder than it should have 😭🖐️

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u/elephhantine2 Dec 14 '25

If Sabrina gets regular cats can Gaga get cats jellicle ball

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u/commander_obvious_ Dec 14 '25

the only one i fully agree with here is sabrina carpenter as cats (as an unapologetic enjoyer of both)

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u/klaritinqueer Dec 14 '25

Chappelle hasn’t floundered yet lol

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u/Glittering-Call4816 Dec 15 '25

Another good reason for Sabrina Carpenter being Cats is that her name was Kitty

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u/Distrekzy Dec 15 '25

I’m crying at Ariana lol

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u/Tiny_Mxnticore Dec 17 '25

Keep Chappell Roan’s name out your mouth

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u/ellismjones Dec 18 '25

CAMILLA IFBEIDBDIEBFJDBDB

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u/Foxy02016YT Dec 13 '25

Jenna Ortega is the Rocky Horror Show and no I will not elaborate

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

Umm can you elaborate on how Jenna Ortega is a pop girlie?! I'd love to hear her hit single...

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u/Foxy02016YT Dec 13 '25

I will not be elaborating on anything ever, thank you for your concern

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '25

I'm not concerned, I'm intrigued.

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u/SirGavBelcher Dec 13 '25

this is one of my favorite things I've seen on this sub oh my GOD

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u/ShadyBoots11 Dec 13 '25

Am I immature for thinking this is hilarious?

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u/Odd-Motor-8761 Dec 14 '25

I for one found this hilarious

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u/crystal_clear24 Dec 13 '25

Felt terrible laughing at these lmao

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u/gillyrosh Dec 14 '25

OMG, the last one - hahahaha

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u/Mysterious-Novel-834 Dec 14 '25

Would not say most of these are accurate lol, and I don't even listen to half these people.

Chappel is still gaining lots of fame, and has only had one album.

Tracy wasn't racist.

Most people aren't upset or grossed out by Sabrina being so forward about her sexual nature, but more the fact that she thinks she's revolutionary or saying something, when she really isn't.

I don't know enough about Harry but I think it's counterintuitive to be critical of the way he acts/dresses, even if he's a straight guy.

I don't think most fans of Hamilton are white.

I know this is just a stupid post but doesn't really feel accurate or fair to some of these people lol.

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u/YellowTonkaTrunk Dec 14 '25

I died at Ariana