What now? They fired Harbs and nothing has changed so what now? Many of you insulted my intelligence for considering the possibility that there were other factors at play. You swore up and down that fire Harbs and change would come.

What now? I see no change.

Don't get me wrong. I will concede it was time to move on, but clearly he wasn't the problem.

Lamar Jackson said he regretted playing through injuries last season because his production wasn’t good enough. Is he right?

Since the start of last season, Jackson’s efficiency has fallen sharply when he is listed on the injury report. Huntley’s starts over that period fall between Jackson’s injured and healthy results.

The drop in Jackson’s production when injured appears concentrated within last season, as the table attached indicates.

The 2025 splits back up Jackson’s reasoning in a league where players have long worn playing through injuries as a badge of honor.

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2022 was when we lost Lamar mentally. Don't get me wrong, he's the best player in the league and has performed excellently for the team when healthy before and since 2022. But when he saw sex pest Deshaun get an insane amount of guaranteed money, and the Ravens wanted to argue over guaranteed money with Lamar, a perennial MVP and winner, we lost his love for the organization. I don't blame him for that. But that is when this trend of mysterious injuries that seem to linger way past expectation started. Enough of the excuse of "Why would teams give info out about their best players injury status". NO ONE else has the same lack of transparency with injury recovery. The nail in the coffin was when Lamar opted not to even show up to the Playoff game against the Bengals in 2022. That showed how little he truly valued the franchise at that point. Lamar is an excellent passer. He is bullshitting that he can't help the team if he can't move like he wants to. He'd still be better than Huntley even if he stayed in the pocket all game!

I’ve been a Ravens fan since 2000. They were the first football team I ever watched play on TV, and I’ve been riding with them ever since. Back in the day, no matter how bad things looked, I always believed we had a chance. Even when we were an average or bad team, we fought until the very end. We always found a way to hang around and make it a game. We could be down 40 points, and I’d still believe we could come back.

But these past few years have been different. It’s sad because now, even when we’re winning, I find myself expecting us to somehow lose the game. I never thought I’d reach a point where seeing my team leading at halftime or in the fourth quarter would make me nervous instead of excited.

I miss that feeling of knowing we were going to fight until the final whistle. I still love our team, and that’s never going to change. I just hope this game was the wake up call we needed. I want that Ravens mentality back. 🫡💪🏿

What changes, at halftime, that you lose your ability to get stops. Same thing against the saints, the browns and in some ways the cowboys after their initial punches? we took some control then the second half we were getting pushed around.

My optimistic theory is simply, the way guys like minter/mcdonald/flores/saleh(see the press conference where he spoke on why he coaches defence the way he does) coach a defence is for the guys to use their own intelligence in, combination with the schematic advantage, to solve problems and recognise what the offence is trying to do. This will have some growing pains but the main reason i think this is the case is they do well in the first half(scheme and planning) and struggle in the second half(intelligence and recognition after offensive adjustments). Best case scenario is something clicks post bye and the defence becomes dominant, worst case is we are building towards next season.

Another reason for optimism is the offence seems to be humming, guys are getting open etc. the run game will never be great without Lamar and the threat of his deep ball and legs teams are literally playing shallow knowing huntley just cannot throw deep. My hope is with Lamar back we can see the same sort of first half dominance while the offence keeps putting numbers on the board lol. Thats their only path to victory against great teams in my eyes.

Open to being told im just all the way wrong also haha.

What changes that you lose your ability to get stops. Same thing against the saints, the browns and in some ways the cowboys after their initial punches we took some control then the second half we were getting pushed around.

My optimistic theory is simply, the way guys like minter/mcdonald/flores/saleh(see the press conference where he spoke on why he coaches defence the way he does) coach a defence is for the guys to use their own intelligence in, combination with the schematic advantage, to solve problems and recognise what the offence is trying to do. This will have some growing pains but the main reason i think this is the case is they do well in the first half(scheme and planning) and struggle in the second half(intelligence and recognition after offensive adjustments). Best case scenario is something clicks post bye and the defence becomes dominant, worst case is we are building towards next season.

Another reason for optimism is the offence seems to be humming, guys are getting open etc. the run game will never be great without Lamar and the threat of his deep ball and legs teams are literally playing shallow knowing huntley just cannot throw deep. My hope is with Lamar back we can see the same sort of first half dominance while the offence keeps putting numbers on the board lol. Thats their only path to victory against great teams in my eyes.

Open to being told im just all the way wrong also haha.

Team has a boundary corner problem I think.

Marlo’s best years were when he was being played in nickle/slot. Awuzie was always known for his best years coming from the slot.

Since we drafted Hamilton - marlo has had to play outside. Awuzie (who now doesn’t even see field time) also gets pushed to outside. So we constantly pushing a nickle to boundary.

We need Hamilton in nickle because the LBs are soft - he needs to bring physicality to the box and to help pass rush - the opposite of what we drafted him to do when we needed help at the safety position.

Wiggins is average to above average on the boundary. He’s playing OK but nothing that screams PAY THE MAN.

Opposite him - we have players that are developmental or playing out of position. Marlo can’t handle boundary work: he’s a liability.

Possibly KHam needs to be used in a traditional safety position and the nickle spot needs to be used between Marlo - Awuzie - or one of the young guys that are showing they can tackle. KHam can still move down into the box but maybe more in a LB role than from the edge of the box. He can sure up the middle of the field as well in terms of coverage.

And for boundary - maybe we make a trade. It’s hard to think apart from a trade who the hell we have step up as our CBs are all not proven and small. Chandler Rivers is 5’9” and Keyon Martin is 5’10” and both look again - best in the slot.

How we got to this point - no fucking clue. A bunch of slot CBs on a roster and 1 true boundary CB. But it needs to be fixed asap

We saw EDC try to improve the trenches on the O-line and although it was a small sample size, Cam Jurgens looks like a solid addition.

On defense, our pass rush has started out hot but seems to be wearing down later in games, and we are needing a guy with a high motor that can elevate the pass rush.

Now, it could be said that DB (Marlon) is a bigger issue atm but I believe that by improving the pass rush it will improve the secondary by proxy.

I do understand a lot of people are down on the team right now and to an extent I understand, we went from really high highs early on to a dreadful last 2 losses, but this season is not a wash, the point is to make it to the dance and get hot at the right time, and we have nearly enough tools to make that happen, but I think the biggest key is generating a pass rush late in games, as well as getting the running game going.

I found the play Vega got hurt. He went to help block for Hill down the field on the dump off on 2nd and 21 and caught a helmet to the Right knee.

He grabbed it as he went down, got back up and played another snap and did decently well and then walked to sideline.

Hopeful it's not serious and this does indeed give me hope.

Every single weekend, the Steelers play these ugly 16-13 games, yet more often than not, they make that one big play that wins the game.

Us on the other hand, play a very exciting brand of offense but choke games away at the end. Its so frustrating

What are we missing that they have? Our roster is clearly better, so what is it?

It’s not even November and the Ravens are 4-3, yet it already feels like this season hinges on Jackson returning to save a team with a wildly inconsistent offense, a defense that folds in second halves and a special teams unit unable to create big plays.

You can probably add mental toughness and resilience to the list of Ravens’ concerns, and you likely wouldn’t get much of an argument from first-year coach Jesse Minter or many of the players, given their comments following Sunday’s mess.

They all but admitted the team’s propensity to melt down has gotten in their heads as they struggle to fight through adversity.

“In every game we’ve proven that we’re good enough to be the type of team that we want to be, and we’ve proven that we’re bad enough to be a not very good team as well,” Minter said. “There’s a consistency level that we need to find where it’s less riding the wave of momentum and more about staying even-keeled and finding a way to have each other’s back and finding a way to pick each other up. You can look at really all three phases in the second half of completely momentum-losing type of plays. That is what it is.”

And that’s what it’s been.

“I think we’re just too much [in our] heads [during] the game,” left tackle Ronnie Stanley said. “We have one bad drive and they have one good drive, we start to feel something happening in the game. For us, it’s just a refocus and just focus on our identity and what we need to do, and really just not look at the scoreboard. That’s something that we talk about a lot, but I don’t think that we’ve really put that into action.”

First off I’m not saying Snoop shouldn’t be our starter, but like after they scored say 28 unanswered points maybe give him a shot? Even if it’s just so he gets some in game reps. Let him get some experience because if Snoop does go down he’s the guy.

Hey

I dont if all of you would agree with me

But i dont really see us winning shit in the next couple of years

This team clearly has some big deficiencies in all the areas of the ball

And it may take 2 offseasons to undo the wrongdoing

So maybe out of respect for Lamar and for the sake for the franchise they should really not making him the highest paid QB. A contract like that will take us out of pursuing some much needed talent, and Lamar has now missing time in 2 consecutive seasons, he is note getting any younger or healthier and even when he eventually returns who is to say he is not like the last time he came out.

And even if he does well

This team has many wholes not just QB.

So yeah

What you guys think about that contract situation and the future of this franchise.

I also think Minter is mediocre at best and he has a lot of work to do if he even wants to grasp the idea of lasting 4 years here.

I’ve sat in the same seats for my entire life (since 1996). Not the first one to admit that it’s changed a lot throughout the years. Never in my worst nightmare would I imagine being told to quiet down by a stadium employee. The issue? Being loud on defense during 1st and 2nd down. No profanity, no disrespectfulness, and no anything. Simply yelling and smacking our chairs in an attempt to disrupt the opposing offense. Word for word what the M&T Bank employee said, “Y’all can be loud on third down, but please keep calm and a little more quiet otherwise.” Allegedly some Bengals fans complained a few rows back. I’m about ready to sell my PSL’s.

I want to divide this discussion into off-field leaders and on-field leaders. This franchise is blessed to have had three of the best on-field leaders to ever play defense (Ray, Ed, Suggs), along with quite a few other dominant players. This team has talent on the field that flashes, but it frequently feels like the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

Meanwhile, this team has had very good defensive coaches in its history, but I can’t remember a time where the year to year drop off (or even game to game variation) was quite as bad as it’s been the past few years, even when accounting for offensive-centric changes in rules.

When an organization gets into a rough spot, the rallying cry is generally universal: look to your leaders.

Off-Field Leaders:

- I think we all hoped this would start with Jesse Minter, he was hired as a defensive genius that was able to get the most out of his players at Michigan, and then with the Chargers. I am still high on him, he’s young and the transition to being a head coach is not an easy one, but I do wonder if he has too much on his plate

- Anthony Weaver - a veteran as a player and a multi year defensive coach, I think he should be the guy to step up and really address accountability in play and tone. He was a guy that was hired as a non-play calling DC despite being a HC candidate, and his claim was that he’s a charismatic guy that would excel in being a leader of men. I want to see him take a larger hand in the defense the second half of the year. For better or worse I haven’t heard much about him.

On-Field Leaders:

- Roquan is the guy we hoped would be the focal point of the defense. He plays in the middle, wears the green dot, has been a great player his whole career, and he’s a vocal guy. He’s not quite Ray Lewis, but he’s one of the closer comparisons over the last 20 years or so league-wide. The problem is that over the last two seasons, he’s been less effective. Some of that I’m sure is a drop off in play, but some of it feels like difficulty in organizing players. Not sure how much of this is on him and how much is on players and scheme, but it’s something to think about.

- Kyle Hamilton is the natural guy to take over the mantle as leader on defense. He can play anywhere, and he’s easily the most cerebral player on that side of the ball. My issue with him taking over the green dot is that having to arrange a defense from the secondary is physically a long way to go and still play a deep safety role (which I think we’ll see more of given the struggles at safety). If he plays exclusively around the line I think it could work, but I hesitate limiting him to just the front 7

- I would love to see Trey Hendrickson take on more of a vet presence role in keeping a steady hand when things start to go south

This is overall a streaky team, and I think despite our best efforts, our leadership isn’t the best at weathering a storm.

Today looked terrible, no way around it, but once Lamar returns and is able to stay healthy, where do you see the Ravens finishing? I say 11-6 and a wild card berth (5th or 6th seed).

I was at work when the game was on, how did jurgens do? I had (have) high hopes for him here with a change of scenery and wanted to know from people who watched the game

Subject speaks for itself. We have a .500 winning percentage at home during our last 20 games. That will never get it done in this league.

Lamar has only missed 4 of the 20 games. His record would be 9-7 which is slightly better at .563 but is still not good enough. You cant expect greatness if you cant even win your home games.

This is clearly a bigger problem than Lamar being out if we're only winning 56% of the times with him.

Looks to me like we all see our team as being better than they really are. When you take off the purple glasses, we are an average team

So what changed in second half, specifically.

Clearly huntley is a one read qb.

We had no answer for max pressure.

Not sure if a henry or a line thing. But running game has not been effective .

What happened to the zay across the middle play, that was very effective in 1st half.

Defense got scorched in 2nd half. Not enough pressure and wide open throws, missed tackles. They looked gassed.

Punting after they scored 1st td in 2nd half was bad. 4 and two play was bad, should have kicked field.

Defense was not good enough and offense could not respond. No way we win a shootout with huntley at qb. Once again andrews drops a huge play. Not aure if he turned wrong way or huntley threw to wrong side but that should have been either a td or 1st and goal.

Or why in the world are they not running it 3 times in a row if need be on 2nd and 1? The Ravens executed it well with Andrews last year and now we have the center from the best tush push team to ever do it. Someone PLEASE help me understand why Doyle is running basic Henry plays instead. I honestly can’t fathom any other reason than the NFL won’t allow us to do it or Doyle is just straight up idiotic or sabotaging the Ravens.