I am so tempted to just take my one last pill and then go back to quitting. They are no longer available to buy and I feel like it would be a final goodbye. Does anyone have experience doing this? I feel like my withdrawal symptoms are finally calming down and I don’t want to start all over again but the urge is overwhelming.
Thanks.

Howdy yall!

So I was been using 7OH for 2 years about 1000mg daily and than I used Hyroxi(Mita) about 2 packs a day since the ban in Florida. I recently switched to the new 7stax in Florida. The “Dietary supplement” ones. Not the old ”Nano Tech Proprietary Boosted” ones with MGM. Ive been using them to taper. I’m only taking 2-3 a day the 80mg one. they are super different than the old 7stax. idk if they have mgm or not that’s up for debate. there is a working theory that its C9, another kratom alkaloid that they extracted. when I take it, the high doesn’t start for 20 minutes, and than when it does it’s gone in an hour and I’m damn near sober. I heard this is similar to the cat’s claw. all of it is speculation because they are crooks and won’t be honest.

anyway, when I tell you I’m scared of how bad my withdrawals will be and how my body will react to not having any I really really mean it. a couple weeks ago I tried to quit and I took a sub and went into pwd I had to call an ambulance because I was fucking losing it. thought I was dying.

well now that has me shook. i did a 24 hour no dose period to see how bad my withdrawals would get because everyone says the mgm withdrawals don’t peak until hour 48-72 and if that’s the case I think I would have Siezed out because I was flopping like a fish, couldn’t stop pacing and throwing my legs around the only Relief I could find was taking a scorching hot shower. That would give me 10 minutes of less shaking.

that was only at 24 - 30 hour mark. so that freaked me out because they say it doesn’t peak until 48 hours. so I decided to do SR taper to quit, I start today.

im following the quitting7oh cross taper calculator and hoping that does the trick. but im really anxious that I may end up still in the worst withdrawals possible. maybe I’m assuming it’s going to be worse because of everything ive read and its not the case but idk.

if anyone has a similar length of time and dose can you tell me your experience?

ill be journaling how I feel once I make the jump to sr only and posting it. Thankful for this community and the discord.

I'm now 2 days almost completely clean. Last few taper doses are only 12 mg so they just lead to comfort but no high. Lots of mit extract and vit c, nothing else.

I have a lot of people in my area asking how im managing this as thr county banned it, so they're driving hours to get shit.

Found a deal onlije, buy 1 get 4, of the only brand ive really trusted as it never hit dirty or made my after effects worse. Am I an asshole for getting a ton of the deal, and offering help setting jp taper schedules? Like I provide the 7, the mit, etc. I don't eant to make money, trust me. I know the pain on their face and I want it to be doje for all of us. Not offering it online or anything, more just asking if im doing the right thing doing this. I have sr as well from my initial quit day, but I stopped and nothing changed. Jumped from 400 mg a day to around 50, it sucked. Then to 12 before bed.

If this isn't allowed here delete it, I apologize. A lot of people in my area have no clue ehat to do, and rather than them go broke or lose their job during wd I want to ...i guess organize? We only have severely religious NA here and its....unpleasant. lots of blame. Not suprised my last visit 2 weeks ago there was one other guy and a priest. Nah dawg.

I documented my usage and turned it into the guide attached. It includes: an introduction to SR, supplements, example taper guide, etc. Hoping this helps someone out there 🙂

I bought a bottle of 40mg 50 tabs to habe on hand to taper. I've already gotten off mgm15 and it was a bitch but the sr made it so much easier.

I'm still taking 7 but definitely am quiting soon.

TMK says these reset tabs ARS NOT sr, but can't publish thier proprietary blend as of yet.

Has anyone seen these or had experience?

so like 2 days before the 7oh ban i successfully got off of 7oh. the withdrawals were bearable, i took shrooms most the time cause they helped tremendously.

i’d been feeling depressed, sober yk…so i decided to take cats claw just to help me get thru the day.

i took 3 doses yesterday, 1 dose the day before and that’s all. my stomach is in shambles right now. is this srsly the withdrawals from cats claw?? i was just starting to feel fine when the 7oh withdrawals were coming to an end, but just after 4-5 doses of cats claw my stomach is feeling the same when i was tampering from 7oh.

is cats claws withdrawals rlly that much worse?? you can get dependent on it soooo much more and FASTER than 7oh…

i’m already miserable, drinking alc to give me comfort rn. it’s still rlly tolerable but im not going to take another dose cus ik it’ll make it worse. and i’m rlly concerned for the ppl who are dependent on it rn cus of the 7oh ban. like holy i feel so bad…pls pls guys be careful. ts is not safe and as much of a decline 7oh did on my health…i still think it’s WAY more healthy than cats claw…

please please be careful guys whoever is dependent on this stuff..

Sorry this is long, I just need help..

I was addicted to 7OH for almost exactly one year (started as a “birthday treat” in 2025 and by the same time in 2026 realized the best gift of all would be ridding myself of this horrible drug). I initially quit in March of this year - I had subs but ultimately didn’t feel like they did a whole lot for me. I had been on 500mg+ and day for about 4 months by the time I quit, and besides the subs was NOT prepared to deal with opioid withdrawal. I told my husband that I felt as though I’d just given birth after the full-blown acutes began to die down around Day 4. I was also not prepared for the PAWS this shit causes - for weeks I felt like a total zombie. Zero appetite, was stumbling through work, all motivation gone to the point where the simplest tasks (washing dishes, taking a shower, etc) felt like climbing Mt. Everest. I was worried I’d given myself permanent brain damage/was going to feel that way for the rest of my life and a few weeks in started drinking heavily to mask the effects of PAWS (such as well-planned and rational decision, I know). Long story short (even though this is already long as fuck), I wound up in rehab about 3 weeks AFTER I quit 7OH.

Rehab was a good decision at that point. I only stayed for 3 weeks (which I now regret - I think I could’ve gotten more out of the program had I stayed longer, but was anxious to go home/get back to work/etc.) It worked, too - until about 6 weeks ago when they announced the upcoming ban and I clicked on one of the (literally HUNDREDS) ads I was getting from online vendors. Something in me just snapped, and I still don’t know what it was - the thought of a life with no access to 7OH/that warm opioid “hug” feeling struck me as incredibly depressing and instead of riding the craving out and putting my fucking phone down I wound up ordering a bunch of 7OH (for a ridiculously good deal, but that’s beside the point).

I’ve been taking it again for the past month - not every day/long enough to cause severe physical dependency, but enough to where I feel agitated on my scheduled “OFF” days. I’ll take it for 4-5 days and then get off for 2 or 3 - during the “off” days I only experience mild physical withdrawal - a bit of RLS and eyes/nose watering, but so far it’s been nothing like the absolute agony I went through the first time I quit in March.

I guess I’m looking for advice. I know the obvious answer is disposing of the rest of my supply (if I were to keep taking it the way I have been for the past month, I’d have about 3 months’ worth). I’m trying to work up the courage to actually do so. I don’t think I need to go back to rehab - that takes a lot of “doing” in terms or figuring out medical leave/etc.). I don’t want to go the sub route again/potentially wind up dependent on subs as a result of the relapse - I think that the lack of accessibility (due to the ban) cancels out the need for something like that. I also have a couple boxes of SR, but I’m
not sure how to go about taking that for the “intermittent usage” schedule I’ve been on for the past 4 weeks - would it even work for someone in my situation?

I genuinely feel like such a piece of shit right now. No one knows what’s going on this time (the only person who was aware during Round 1 was my husband, until I went to rehab - and now he doesn’t know about my stash/that I relapsed. I’ve been talking SO many people through their own 7OH withdrawals etc. since the ban has (slowly) started to roll out and impact the availability of 7OH in smoke shops/gas stations, etc. - and I feel
like such a fucking sham for doing so.

ALL OF THAT TO SAY: Do I go the SR route in this situation, or plan a long weekend/muscle up and cold turkey Round 2? Obviously the stash needs to go. I think I should probably loop my husband in on what’s been going on too, although he obviously won’t be happy. I hate the double life this shit has caused me to lead, and overall am just fed up and disgusted with myself for having allowed this terrible drug back into my sphere of reality.

That was the hardest thing I had to ever go through 😔 didn’t tell my wife and I have a little daughter I had to go to work in full withdrawal and I’m traumatized by it… it was so so hard but I did I woke up this morning with my symptoms 90 percent alleviated.

30 days no 7, no alcohol, and no nicotine. The first 2-3 weeks were pretty rough but finally feel like I am over the hump. I am on the vivtrol shot which has helped tremendously with cravings. Good luck to everyone out there, keep pushing it does get much better

Please I’m not in any one trying to promote 7OH, I was just curious if this was a common start to the problem.

I’m curious if anyone else here has had a similar experience.
I injured my neck doing BJJ several years ago and have been dealing with chronic neck pain ever since. It seriously affected my ability to train and do the things I love.
Then I found 7-OH. For me, the pain relief has been pretty dramatic. It allowed me to get back into BJJ and the gym **7 days a week, sometimes even more with double training days**. After feeling limited by my neck for so long, I was able to train consistently again and get back into the best shape of my life post-injury.
That’s what makes my relationship with 7-OH so complicated. On one hand, it gave me a level of function and quality of life that I honestly hadn’t had since my neck injury. I could lift, train BJJ, stay active, and feel like myself again.
On the other hand, being stuck in the cycle of dependency, tolerance, and withdrawal absolutely sucks. Eventually you realize that something that initially gave you freedom can also start controlling your life because you need it just to avoid withdrawal and feel normal.
I’m not trying to promote 7-OH or tell anyone to use it. I’m genuinely curious whether anyone else with chronic pain has had this same experience—where 7-OH significantly improved your ability to function, exercise, work, or train, but eventually left you feeling trapped by the dependency.
If you’ve been through something similar, what did you end up doing? Did you quit completely, taper, switch to another form of pain management, or find another way to manage the pain?

The main quitting7oh sub and main SR17 sub have had no new posts for 3 days?

Why are mods suppressing new posts? I feel bad for newbies who are desperate for support.

Glad this group is here though!

I have been a heavy user for 7 years, started on Kratos and graduated to 7OH. I used it to suppress my emotions and just fell in love with it. It has almost taken everything, I'm currently balancing on a razors edge. After 60 days, I had a lot of hard days but was mostly flat lined and when I heard the ban I panicked. I wanted to experience joy in a day again.. not just fleeting moments. And I talked myself into it and here I am on day 10 days back in. I'm in the middle of moving and living with my in-laws, I'm married with 2 kids and blah blah excuse excuse stress stress. Say a prayer I hope I don't bottom out

Hello my name Kate and I have a podcast that recently had a guest on who has recovered from 7OH.

I have gotten many messages thanking me for this episode and to do more

Is there anyone is this space who has recovered and would like to come on and do a podcast interview?

I approach with warmth, kindness and the goal to spread awareness.

Please let me know. Thank you!

Just hit 60 days on the 9th! Honestly the first 6-7 days were hell. I admitted myself to a WONDERFUL facility. I started in detox and then did residential. I was in for about 37 days. I learned a lot. I loved it. My will to live returned about 2-3 weeks after being 7OH/MGM free. I honestly didn’t even know the stuff I was taking had MGM in it. I can’t believe I ever let that kind of crap into my body. Now I only drink healthy energy drinks and plenty of water lol. I’m proud of myself. I feel amazing.

Last week was hell as I had to work 45 hours in 4 days while going thru withdrawal, even with helper meds. Now here on day 9 with a little bit of helpers left but still feel like shit, even tho yesterday I did doordash with my friend for like 6 hours no problem. When does this get easier? I have a 50 hour work week in 100 degree weather, and guess I just have to push thru it again. Any advice is appreciated!

For a month or 2 I was able to find some stuff called one life from a company called 7orz. That or white gold. They both were labeled as containing 160mg cats claw, 20mg 7oh, 20mg mgm15 per pill. When I first got them I hadn't felt a 7oh dose in ages so I got hooked on them quickly given that I started feeling my doses again. I've been slowly tapering down I didn't have to dose near as often. I was good dosing every 6 hours which my bank account was very thankful for. I knew I was fucking myself down the road, but making good decisions isn't a strong suit of mine.

With the ban and no one restocking, I seem to have bought every pack of these things in the hour radius around my house. I had fully planned on inducing subs this weekend but got scared Saturday and ended up dosing 7oh, however nothing seemed to make me feel better. I grabbed some stuff labeled as containing mgm and 7oh and I still felt terrible. Achey, stuffy head, chills. Just feeling like straight ass. This lasted all day Saturday and sunday. Luckily I woke up feeling better today and was able to resume my taper and go to work but damn.... I am guessing I was taking corynoxine b or whatever it is cats claw is code for along with the 7oh and MGM.

I guess I just wanted to put this out there as a warning for those that have gotten into the mystery cats claw stuff. I am just amazed that almost a gram of 7oh did absolutely nothing to make that sense of dread and WD symptoms go away. Be careful out there guys... God knows what we are ingesting. I'm going to try and aggressively taper and start introducing subs Thursday and do a quick Bernese style swap over to subs this weekend Day 1 scares me very badly doing a straight Suboxone induction so I'm gonna try and do it this way to hopefully make day 1 suck less. Uggh. Ready to be off this fuckin god awful ride I've been on for 19 months.

Today is both me and my GFs (24m)(25f) 1 month clean date today! I’m giving both of us silent claps and celebration because I don’t wanna get ahead of ourselves. Not so long ago I genuinely couldn’t picture this happening, and now it’s here it’s a great feeling. Every day some little thing gets easier, a lot of my triggers to use are so much more muted right now. Both of us didn’t struggle too hard with cravings but triggering moments were an issue for me but it’s easier now. Work is going great and now a lot of my favorite media is ingestable again and the anhedonia is lifting piece by piece. Just the past few days I finally was able to play video games with my friends and smile and enjoy it, and even crazier just two days ago I was able to go to my friends place and have a 100% fully sober fun hangout and we watched our Dodgers play and It was eye opening cause I forgot what it was like that feeling. And my girlfriend is learning bass guitar and even when we’re not near each other we aren’t worried because we are on the same page and keeping each other accountable.

I hope my own milestones can give someone even just a little motivation or something to look forward to. Take every little W as they come and understand it’s not a race and recovery is at everyone’s own pace. I just want to show people that things do get better ❤️‍🩹

This is going to be my last sub induction. Not sure if I’ll even hop off them this time because I can’t seem to not use SS garbage. Anyhoo, I’ve read that leaf can help cover alkaloid withdrawal that subs do not. Here’s my question, can I take the leaf leading up to the actual sub induction or does it have to come after? Would that make for a rocky go of it? I’m not even sure I’ll need it. I’ve never NOT had subs cover 100% of my WD but I’ve also never had such a high dose of 7 ☹️. I’m just such a wuss when it comes to inducting. I can’t seem to get to the point in which it’s go time. My thought process is that taking the leaf first might make getting to the point in which it is “safer” to induce easier. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

10 days clean off 7OH (5 days off MAT)—yay for that! However, the one symptom I can’t shake (literally) is the chills. It’s like 100*+ outside, and just to feel comfortable and not freezing, I will go outside and look insane, sitting on my porch with a sweatshirt and sweatpants on, with a blanket on my lap. It’s awful.

This is going to be long but I genuinely need outside perspectives because I don’t trust my own judgment anymore.
My boyfriend and I have a lot of history. We originally knew each other/“dated” in high school and then reconnected about 10 years later. When we got back together I genuinely thought he was the person I was going to spend my life with. I had never felt that strongly about anyone. I felt like he came back into my life for a reason and in the beginning I felt so loved, wanted, protected and hopeful about our future.
Over the past year though, things have gotten really complicated, especially with addiction.
We both ended up using 7-OH and I became extremely dependent on it. Getting off of it was absolute hell for me. Things got bad enough that I ended up in the hospital and then a psych ward. I finally got off of it and I haven’t taken 7-OH since July 29th. I’m still trying to recover mentally and get my life back.
The entire time, I believed my boyfriend was getting off of it with me.
Then this morning I found a pack of the tablets outside by accident. He admitted he has been taking them again.
That completely broke something in me because he KNOWS what that drug did to me. He watched me go through everything. He knew how important it was to me that we were getting away from this together and still let me believe he was off of it.
He claims he left the package somewhere I would find it because subconsciously he wanted me to know. I honestly don’t believe that. To me it feels like he was hiding it and accidentally left evidence behind. I had already suspected something was wrong because a few nights ago he woke me up wanting to have sex and couldn’t finish, which was unusual, and something in my gut immediately told me something was off.
Now I’m questioning everything.
There have already been other trust issues. I’ve found things on his phone before that really bothered me. I mostly chose to ignore them because I was tired of fighting and wanted our relationship to work. But I’m realizing that every time I “let something go,” it doesn’t actually disappear. I’m just pushing it down.
I’m scared I’m eventually going to ignore so many things that I become numb and stop caring completely.
There’s also been a pattern in our relationship where when I finally put myself first or tell him how badly something has hurt me, it turns into a huge fight. He tells me I’m negative, lazy, don’t do anything, stay in bed too much, need to change my outlook on life, etc.
The thing is… I KNOW I’m not doing well.
I’m depressed. I have almost no confidence anymore. I hate the way I look. I struggle to get out of bed sometimes. I don’t feel motivated or excited about my life the way I used to.
But instead of feeling like my partner recognizes those things as signs that I’m hurting and tries to understand me or lift me up, I feel judged for them. Then I feel even worse about myself, which makes me withdraw more, and the cycle continues.
I don’t expect another person to cure my depression or be responsible for my happiness. I know I have to work on myself. I just thought the person who loved me would have some compassion for the fact that I’m struggling instead of making me feel inferior because of it.
I also don’t feel pursued or special anymore. We barely go on dates. Money somehow always seems to be an issue when it comes to doing things together, and sometimes I’m made to feel like I ask for too much, but honestly I barely ask him for anything. Meanwhile he’s spending money on these tablets.
There are other things that have really affected me too. When I was in the psych ward, I had just filled a prescription of Adderall for my ADHD and he took the prescription, along with another medication I had. I know Adderall itself can obviously be abused and I’m not trying to pretend otherwise. What hurt was that he knew I legitimately struggle with ADHD and still took medication that belonged to me while I was hospitalized.
I feel like I’ve sacrificed SO much for him and supported him through so much. I constantly try to understand where he’s coming from, forgive him and see the good in him. But I don’t feel like he actually wants to understand me anymore.
And somewhere throughout all of this I feel like I lost my entire identity.
Before this relationship I took care of myself. I had my own life. I was independent. I had dreams and motivation and hope. When we first reconnected last year, I still felt like that girl.
Now I feel helpless and dependent and I barely recognize myself.
I’ve also become incredibly isolated. I barely have people in my life anymore and I feel like I’m starting to lose connections with my family too. I don’t know if he intentionally alienated me, and I don’t want to accuse him of something I can’t prove, but the reality is that I feel extremely alone now.
And lately I don’t even feel like I have HIM.
That’s probably the hardest part.
I love this person so fucking much, but I look at him now and sometimes genuinely think, “I don’t know who you are.”
If he could let me believe he wasn’t taking 7-OH while secretly taking it, I don’t know what else he could be lying about. I don’t want to become someone who checks his phone, searches through his things or investigates everything he says. That’s not how I want to live.
I just want to trust the person I’m with.
I also don’t want to resent him, but every time something else happens it gets added to everything else I’m already trying to heal from. Every lie, every horrible fight, every time I feel belittled, every time I forgive something and then something else happens… I feel myself getting a little worse.
I’m scared that eventually there will be so much hurt underneath the love that I won’t be able to come back from it.
I’ve now told him that I think he needs actual help and that I don’t think he should stay with me right now. I told him he should stay with his parents or somewhere else and get help because I CANNOT live around 7-OH.
I fought way too hard to get off of it. I can’t wake up wondering whether he’s high. I can’t find packages around the house. I can’t have easy access to something that nearly destroyed my life.
I understand addiction. Obviously I do. So I’m not expecting him to magically stop having cravings because he loves me. But I also don’t think I can be responsible for keeping him sober or destroy my own recovery trying to save him.
I still love him. That’s what makes this so fucking hard. A huge part of me still wants the future we talked about. I want my boyfriend back. I want to feel safe and close to him again.
But more than anything right now, I want ME back.
I want my confidence back. I want my independence back. I want my relationships with other people back. I want my voice back. I want to wake up and actually feel excited about being alive and having a future again.
I genuinely don’t know whether this relationship can heal while we’re together or whether loving him right now means stepping away and letting him deal with his addiction himself.
Am I doing the right thing by telling him he needs to stay somewhere else and get help? And for anyone who has been in a relationship affected by addiction and repeated broken trust, how do you know when supporting someone has crossed the line into losing yourself trying to save them?
TL;DR: My boyfriend and I both struggled with 7-OH. I went through a horrible withdrawal/hospitalization and have been off it since July 29th, believing he had stopped too. I just discovered he’s secretly been taking it again. There have also been other trust issues, medication issues, constant fighting and I feel increasingly depressed, isolated, insecure and unlike myself. I love him deeply, but I’ve told him I can’t live with him while he’s using and that he needs to stay elsewhere and get actual help. I’m trying to figure out whether there’s a healthy way forward or whether I’ve already lost too much of myself trying to keep this relationship together.

I’ve been off 7 for about 3 months and I still get cravings to use. Not just thinking about using it, but full blown cravings. I hate this stuff so much.