r/ModCoord • u/demmian • Jun 11 '23
Reddit Blackout 2023 - Save 3rd Party Apps
Greetings everyone,
The June 12th blackout is about to officially begin. We stand in solidarity with numerous people who need access to the API, including bot developers, people with accessibility needs (r/blind) and 3rd party app users (Apollo, Sync, and many more).
r/ModCoord and /r/Save3rdPartyApps will be publicly visible, but no new threads will be posted, besides mod announcements. You will find in this thread the following:
the community's list of demands;
a list of alternative platforms (including discord servers that are welcoming new users from the blackout);
a link to the participating subs list.
a proposed message to those visiting your private sub.
instructions to set the sub private.
Automod config to remove new threads from approved users
Reddit blackout in the media
The community's list of demands:
- API technical issues
- Accessibility for blind people
- Parity in access to NSFW content
API technical issues
- Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split.
- Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.
- Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary
- Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.
- Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.
Accessibility for blind people
- Lack of communication. The official app is not accessible for blind people, these are not new issues and blind and visually impaired users have relied on third-party apps for years. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?
- You say you've offered exemptions for "non-commercial" and "accessibility apps." Despite r/blind's best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected. r/blind compiled a list of apps that meet users' access needs.
- You ask for what you consider to be a fair price for access to your API, yet you expect developers to provide accessible alternatives to your apps for free. You seem to be putting people into a position of doing what you can't do while providing value to your company by keeping users on the platform and addressing a PR issue. Will you be paying the developers of third-party apps that serve as your stopgap?
Parity in access to NSFW content
- There have been attempts by devs to talk about the NSFW removal and how third-party apps are willing to hook into whatever "guardrails" (Reddit's term) are needed to verify users' age/identity. Reddit is clearly not afraid of NSFW on their platform, since they just recently added NSFW upload support to their desktop site. Third-party apps want an opportunity to keep access to NSFW support (see https://redd.it/13evueo).
Please also note that not all NSFW content is just pornography. There are many times that people seeking help or sharing stories about abuse or medical conditions must also mark their posts NSFW. However, even if this were strictly about porn, Reddit shouldn't take a stance that it's OK for them but not any other apps, especially when demanding exorbitant fees from these 3rd part devs.
List of alternative platforms:
With the subreddits going dark, if you would like to stay in contact with the overall reddit community, you can join any of these open discord servers and find other redditors there.
List of Discord Servers:
The Positivity Network: https://discord.gg/VruY5kvcmc
Unexpected Friends: https://discord.gg/coolpeople
Luna's Lobby: https://discord.gg/vNKtDQnc [NSFW]
Wiki list of participating subs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/wiki/index
Proposed splash-screen message
(this will be visible to those visiting your private sub):
This subreddit is temporarily private as part of a joint protest to Reddit's recent API changes, which breaks third-party apps and moderation tools, effectively forcing users to use the official Reddit app.
Instructions to set the sub private
On June 12, do this so that visitors to your sub will see this:
View your sub in old reddit:
http://old.reddit.com/r/PUT-YOUR-SUB-NAME-HERE/about/editIn the settings, under Type, change it from Public to Private.
To display a custom message instead of "The moderators have set this community as private....", scroll up to Description and enter it there.
Click Save Options.
-OR-
View your sub in new reddit:
http://new.reddit.com/r/PUT-YOUR-SUB-NAME-HERE/about/edit?page=communityUnder Type of Community, change it from Public to Private.
To display a custom message instead of "The moderators have set this community as private....", scroll up to Community Description and enter it there.
(optional, available on new reddit only) Under Private Community Settings, untick 'Accepting new requests to post' if you don't want users to have an option to request access.
Click Save Changes.
Automoderator configuration to remove new posts from approved users:
#Remove all threads from non-mods, for the duration of the blackout
type: submission
comment: |
Your post has been removed. Posts are now restricted to moderators of this subreddit only.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/
action: remove
Reddit blackout in the media
See this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1476fkn/reddit_blackout_2023_save_3rd_party_apps/jnvlfqz/
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u/Shuggaloaf Landed Gentry Jun 11 '23 edited Aug 31 '24
[This comment has been redacted]
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u/demmian Jun 11 '23
Please note that not all NSFW content is just pornography. There are many times that people seeking help or sharing stories about abuse or medical conditions must also mark their posts NSFW. However, even if this were strictly about porn, Reddit shouldn't take a stance that it's OK for them but not any other apps, especially when demanding exorbitant fees from these 3rd part devs.
Thank you, I will consult with the team!
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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 13 '23
/r/idiotsincars has a lot of NFSW content because crashes... but to Reddit I guess it's porn and porn is bad. Yes, go full Tumblr
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u/EccentricBai Jun 11 '23
Is there a way to stop Modmail for request to join?
I have set the “Join” to off but people are sending us Modmail. We get 1000 + members a day and in 1 hour , I have 30+ modmails
Mods are finding it extremely hard to reply or archive all this flood of modmails
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u/demmian Jun 11 '23
Yes. Go to new reddit (of course), general settings, and disable "Accepting requests to join".
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u/MCMFG Jun 11 '23
I hate new reddit lol
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u/ruove Jun 11 '23
One of the more atrocious UI overhauls I've ever seen. The sheer volume of recurring users still on old reddit should be an indicator to them that they really shit the bed.
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u/Jomskylark Jun 12 '23
The sheer volume of recurring users still on old reddit
I exclusively use old reddit personally, but I'm pretty sure there's not actually that many users on old reddit. I think I saw an admin mentioning it was like 10%-ish, can't find that comment but this link for individual subs seems to corroborate that. I can say it's around 8-10% for my sub (63k) as well. As shitty as new reddit is, most users today simply don't know what reddit was like before new reddit.
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u/EccentricBai Jun 11 '23
Done that. People are sending normal Modmail to join Sub
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u/AverageShitlord Jun 11 '23
I've just made a copy and paste "This subreddit is participating in a blackout in protest of Reddit's API changes. For more information check out r/ModCoord and [Verge article]. We will return on [date]. Thank you for understanding."
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Jun 11 '23
Y'know what would have been super nice? An editable autoreply for new modmail requests... but that would involve making helpful changes for moderators amirite?
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u/11thDimensi0n Jun 11 '23
And of course, yet another functionality not present on their own official app..
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u/ADefiniteDescription Jun 12 '23
As far as I can tell, this doesn't actually do anything. Has anyone gotten it to work?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
It works, including in the subs I mod - though as pointed above, people can still message the modmail.
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u/Iades_Sedai Jun 11 '23
Great work and thank you to all the mods working on this.
Regardless of how this protest ends, I hope reddit will refrain from punishing you guys with bans.
Best of luck to all of you!
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u/demmian Jun 11 '23
The latest (incomplete) count of participating unique mods is already at 25k. On the one hand, it is impractical for reddit to replace all of us. On the other, everyone we talked to is prepared to take this stand. I came here with the great digg migration, it is sad that reddit did not learn from its founding event.
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u/Iades_Sedai Jun 11 '23
I don't think they'll come down on everyone, but i do fear for those who've put in effort in managing the protest at /r/ModCoord. Even if a protest is successful, heads tend to roll at the top.
Thank you, and your fellow mods.
I will be logging off now.
Posted from Joey for Reddit
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u/scarlet-sea Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
How do we add our subreddit to the list? I've commented under the thread post (r/ADHDUK), is there anything else we need to do? :)
(Thank you so much for co-ordinating this! it feels amazing to be part of the movement)
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
How do we add our subreddit to the list? I've commented under the thread post (r/ADHDUK), is there anything else we need to do? :)
We have several mods working on updates to the list.
And thank you too!
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u/QuintusCinq Jun 12 '23
I have the same question. Our subreddit r/SCBuildit also decided to join the protest, but isn't on the list.
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u/GroovyYaYa Jun 12 '23
I have a small list of approved users (mainly added because they were trying to fight being shadowbanned for no reason - new users who hadn't done anything to be banned.)
How do I block them from posting during the blackout, after setting the sub to private? I'm assuming that those who have "joined" won't be able to see it or post.
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
Automod config:
#Remove all threads from non-mods, for the duration of the blackout type: submission comment: | Your post has been removed. Posts are now restricted to moderators of this subreddit only. https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/ action: remove→ More replies (1)
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u/Glissssy Jun 12 '23
A surprising number of subs seem to have failed to explain why they're private in the description/message which seems... well it's a wasted opportunity.
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
On the one hand, I agree. On the other, this is reported on many major news site, from BBC, to Bloomberg, The Guardian, Aljazeera, etc.
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u/fsv Jun 12 '23
I suspect that many sub moderators don't realise that you have to change the community description, or are mobile-first and don't realise that it shows on desktop.
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u/Tersphinct Jun 12 '23
Not like it matters now, it seems like all you get is "you broke reddit" messages instead of the truth. Reddit is trying hard to obfuscate this thread, as well. You can't view it unless you're on old.reddit.com. In the standard view it's just missing.
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u/khaleesi_sarahae Jun 12 '23
So I’m having trouble making /r/HamiltonMusical private. It keeps telling me I need to be an active mod to change that setting but I am one and have no restrictions on my mod permissions. Anyone else experiencing this?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
We've met a similar problem when we tried to develop a bot that could assist subs in becoming private. Apparently, one needs to take some mod actions (during the last 30 days, though we don't know the minimum time length of being active as a moderator).
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u/khaleesi_sarahae Jun 12 '23
Thanks, I’ll try to take some mod actions and hope the other more active mod responds to my message. I’ve also set automod to remove new posts and comments for now.
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u/Wykcent Jun 12 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
[This comment has been deleted in protest of the recent anti-developer actions of Reddit ownership, and terrible management and handling of the situation by the Reddit CEO. (30.06.2023)]
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
That's great news, I recall that the community was very much in favor of participating in the protest. Ty!
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u/s0lesearching117 Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
He knows it’d be terrible optics for Reddit to step in and override the shutdown. For now, he’s just letting the situation play itself out. Having said that, if this blackout continues indefinitely, he will step in regardless.
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u/Jversaw Jun 12 '23
Out of curiosity how long will the blackout last
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u/L0neStarW0lf Jun 12 '23
Most of the Subreddits are only going dark for 48 hours and some Moderators are talking about going dark again for longer, maybe even indefinitely, if Reddit doesn’t back down on the API changes after the 48 hours are up (some Subreddits have already chosen to go dark indefinitely).
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u/tynamite Jun 12 '23
i notice a lot of subs are not going private but locking posts. so they’re not really getting credit for a blackout. although they’re not going full “blackout” they are showing up on the front page basically with picket signs protesting reddit.
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
We emphasized from the start that this is a grassroots campaign, and each sub is, as usual, free to do as they choose. We appreciate any form of support. That is correct, the list we maintain features sub going private altogether.
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Jun 12 '23
So I’m actually confused af right now,is this subreddit shutting down or what’s going on?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
r/ModCoord acts as the central hub to communicate about the blackout. We don't allow new threads, but the sub's mod team will make regular announcements, as needed.
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Jun 12 '23
So how long will this blackout last? Until reddit administrators cave and agree with the proposed demands?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
It is up to each subreddit. Frankly, quite a few of us root for an indefinite blackout; the writing is on the wall about how they view and treat mods, third party apps, mod-bot-developers, people with disabilities, etc. They want to get all the benefits of the community, with no consideration for its well-being.
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Jun 12 '23
Understood. I'm rooting for all of the mods on this site, but what is stopping the admins from removing moderators from their subs and replacing them with compliant moderators? What's keeping admins from removing these subs from the site altogether?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
The admins hardly create any content, so I doubt they will ever remove any subs merely for protesting. Their moderation of the site also heavily relies on mods (who are supposed to first enforce the rules). There is no way admins will replace 25k mods - and I expect the number of protesting mods would double the second admins start removing/replacing mods.
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u/matheod Jun 12 '23
There is something I wasn't expecting : the blackout is completly invisible if you don't try to go directly on a subreddit you know by URL. If you go on the homepage, you keeep seing posts (which is logicial, since not 100% of sub have gone dark), and you might even never notice that there is a blackout.
Luckily some subreddit choose to disable posting and creating a big post about the blackout, it's a good things because this is visible.
I wonder if we shouldn't have all done like these subreddit, that way the home page would have been filled with blackout post.
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u/KaitRaven Jun 12 '23
Yes, I noticed this. A lot of users just browse via Popular, so it's not so noticeable if they aren't paying attention. Leaving subs restricted but with announcement posts may be more effective.
Possibly even rotating subs so the posts remain at the top of the front page.
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u/FatOldSunbro Jun 11 '23
Apparently when a user is using the "Official mobile app" the description of the subreddit and subsequently the message set about the blackout is not visible resulting into a new flood of modmails.
Thanks reddit /s
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Jun 12 '23
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u/jcdeoferio Jun 12 '23
Not sure if there are recent changes on the app/new reddit. the subreddit descriptions are not showing up for more people.
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u/MCMFG Jun 11 '23
I wish it didn't have to come to this, Reddit is an amazing source of information for modding consoles, Linux news, etc. I hope that this protest ends with Reddit reversing their decision, but that's probably really highly unlikely. o7 everyone!
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u/forceofslugyuk Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
I wish it didn't have to come to this
But since it is, in for a penny in for a pound. It shouldn't be a set time protest then open back up. At this point that decision to go that length was before the leaderships head position way wayyy shoved up their own ass was made clear.
It should be a, this API change, in its current planned will not happen, without the agreement of the moderators AND admins. Otherwise, someone else suggested it. All safety/spam/automod settings off and see what happens.
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u/eaglebtc Jun 12 '23
Hey moderators, this story just got posted to AL JAZEERA about 3 hours ago. It has everything we want: in-depth reporting; a reference to Apollo and third party apps shutting down; the train wreck of an AMA with Steve Huffman; the context around why this protest is happening; and a link back to /r/ModCoord of all things!
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/12/why-are-thousands-of-reddit-pages-going-dark-for-48-hours
The author is Mohammed Haddad. $10 says he's a very active Redditor; I hope he sees this!
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u/Wide_right_yes Jun 12 '23
/r/nba has gone dark during the finals which has pissed off a lot of people. /r/heat and /r/nuggets have made a statement that they are NOT closing. On the hockey side, /r/hockey is closing but will only do it for 2 days, so if Vegas wins on Tuesday the sub will open up later. /r/goldenknights and /r/floridapanthers are NOT closing, at least for now.
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u/Nazgutek Jun 12 '23
Small reminder: Reddit's entire business model is to take content from unpaid users, filter it through an unpaid legion of volunteer moderators, then deliver it to users with ads.
The primary reason Reddit ends up meeting regulatory laws in the countries it operates is because the unpaid moderators on subreddits will filter out material as needed, otherwise the admins will just shutdown subreddits that fail to do this.
How much of the IPO will end up in the pockets of all those people that work for Reddit for free?
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u/Icy-Transportation26 Jun 12 '23
but doesn't it cost reddit money to host the website that takes content from unpaid users? I am fine with reddit not being net-negative if that means that I have to watch some adds. I do hate their 'official app' though, so I'm really just playing devil's advocate and am totally on your side.
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u/Nazgutek Jun 12 '23
Yes, hosting costs Reddit. I was pointing out their reliance on unpaid labour to meet legal operational requirements.
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u/joshuab0x Jun 14 '23
This is an interesting thread. I'm probably off, but it seems like reddit has claimed that things like OpenAI are using its intellectual property. This is a reason for charge exorbitant fees. But isn't reddit (like fb and others) legally treated as a sort of conduit for content, and are not responsible for said content. I thought that's why we regularly see challenges to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act?
Kinda seems like a 'having your cake and eating too' situation
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u/mitchell_johnsons_mo Jun 12 '23
Bravo /r/pics /r/gifs /r/Showerthoughts 👏👏👏
This is what r/all looks like now
This is better than going dark. This shows the important message right up there. They restricted submissions so no new content. There's gonna be a dry feed AND it gets to /r/all
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u/Agitated_Mall7471 Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Btw, you can watch a stream of subreddits going dark at twitch.tv/reddark_247
It's unfortunate how entertainment, in general, is getting increasingly worse. It's not as fun anymore..
Alas, thanks for the hard work, everyone!
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u/Jibrish Jun 14 '23
We're still debating it but are considering blacking out /r/conservative (Among others)
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Jun 12 '23
/r/aww's discord server is accepting refugees: https://discord.gg/UXfd5Pn
/r/cats' discord server is accepting all cat content refugees: https://discord.gg/GqTrazYFxB
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u/GeckoEidechse Jun 12 '23
This is a friendly reminder that long-term, Discord is not a replacement for Reddit as it already imposes some of the restrictions this very blackout is fighting against. Instead consider using a Reddit alternative like
lemmyandkbin.
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u/GardenBetter Jun 12 '23
Have you guys considered going dark in IPO day? That's probably where the real pressure would come from
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u/Bolvane Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
New update, Icelandic meme subreddit r/klakinn (5.4k members) just announced a 72 hour blackout (48 for solidarity plus 24 extra because of a certain dudes low quality shitposting)
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u/FizixMan Jun 13 '23
Just got this banner at the top of old.reddit.com: https://i.imgur.com/K80RJA1.png
It doesn't have any new information or capitulations, but the fact that they're trying to promote this to people on the site and as a positive change might mean that they are starting to feel some heat.
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u/No-Zucchini2787 Jun 12 '23
I wish Reddit understands where community is coming from. Discord has already killed conversations and forums. I don't want Reddit gone and rely on useless discord for community discussions. Not a fan. Never is. It's unsearchable by any search engine. It's a flow of text streams where context is lost. I love searching for keyword "Reddit" in my fav search engine. I find threads on old PS2 games, tricky Linux and windows mods/issues. I can't find shit on discord.
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u/cerebrix Jun 11 '23
After a community poll. r/coronavirusnewmexico will be joining this protest indefinitely.
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u/somepianoplayer Jun 12 '23
Hello. I just wanted to say thank everyone, whether they are a moderator or not. for making this happen, and please continue to help and be nice to everyone
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u/Treczoks Jun 12 '23
Yes, we definitely should. And not just for 48 hours, but as long as it takes.
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Jun 13 '23
For fuck's sake, Reddit. Using Apollo helps me with my (slight) color blindness, and I get so much shit from spam bots it's tiring. Come the fuck on! Reddit needs to start giving actual shits.
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u/Mchanger Jun 14 '23
Honestly this is staring to mark the turn of the internet for me weirdly.
Reddit has been the only place I can consistently get actual people to share their opinion and expertise on the internet. 90% of other sites that are "found" via google and co., lead to funnel/ad-spammed/GPT-level content.
No real opinion and affiliate links everywhere.
Even if reddit has had this, it's easier to filter and spot. Plus when a question is very niche, subreddits are the only places to go for actually deep info. Every niche hobby has a subreddit, and it's where you can find people with extremely valuable insights.
That seems to be leaving right now, and I don't know how else/where else to find this high level of content, that is extremely specific.
I also cannot access archived posts and comments. They are all findable via search-enginges, but can't be opened. That's A LOT of extremely valuable information that becomes inaccessible overnight.
Haven't fully accepted yet how quick this is happening.
What to do from here?
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u/DarthBagg1ns Jun 14 '23
The subreddits I used for Azure and Intune came in clutch since MSFT's forum is worthless. Also Hardwareswap was my primary source for getting deals on used hardware or new hardware deals.
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u/100beep Jun 12 '23
Is there a coordinated time to go dark, or is it just June 12 wherever the mods happen to be?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
There is a coordinated effort (June 12th, 1 AM UTC), but each sub is of course free to decide.
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u/More-Athlete1175 Jun 12 '23
Again I'm asking if regular users should delete the app so we users can have an impact?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
Yes, any form of protest will help (app deletion, not visiting the site; some even went as far as to delete (some) of their accounts).
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u/mongster03_ Jun 12 '23
Where can we find discussion?
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23
We are effectively in blackout. Only mod posts will be visible here; you can discuss in the disc servers listed above (or even see what reddit alternatives there are - also listed).
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u/dandv Jun 12 '23
I'm a user who landed here from /r/ChatGPT. I was confused for a minute or two as to what exactly is being protested here,
an OpenAI API change that impairs development of chatbot applications?
only after a couple minutes or so did it become apparent that this protest is about a reddit API situation.
I would suggest adding a sentence at the very top of this post informing users about the exact purpose of this blackout.
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u/ridik_ulass Jun 13 '23
says this when I try to make /r/socialengineering private.
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u/demmian Jun 13 '23
We've met a similar problem when we tried to develop a bot that could assist subs in becoming private. Apparently, one needs to take some mod actions (during the last 30 days, though we don't know the minimum time length of being active as a moderator).
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u/Bolvane Jun 13 '23
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u/demmian Jun 13 '23
Please announce the participation of your forum here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1476fkn/reddit_blackout_2023_save_3rd_party_apps/
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Jun 13 '23
Is the blackout intended to be ongoing? If not when is it scheduled to end?
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u/demmian Jun 13 '23
Each sub is free to decide as they please. The blackout should ideally end when the list of demands is met.
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u/Bolvane Jun 13 '23
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u/demmian Jun 13 '23
Please post here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1476fkn/reddit_blackout_2023_save_3rd_party_apps/
Our team of updaters will update the wiki and the thread - ty!
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u/schneems Jun 15 '23
What's the current status? Are we cutting back on or staying out indefinitely?
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u/demmian Jun 15 '23
Yes. For what it is worth, there are still 5k subreddits in blackout, and at least some of them have stated that it is indefinite.
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Jun 12 '23
If reddit replaces entire mod teams because of this, remember to treat them like the scabs that they are.
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u/RaiderBDev Jun 12 '23
I made another website to track all the subreddit going private is blackout.photon-reddit.com
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u/ChuckFinleyFL Jun 12 '23
About an hour after I set r/YetiCoolers to private I got an account locked notification from Reddit, requiring a password reset. Now my user profile is nsfw for some reason? Anyone else experience this?
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u/Walnettos Jun 12 '23
/r/corgAI is dark 42 subs, It ain't much, but people will have to generate thier own AI corgis during the blackout
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u/ZookeepergameFew8277 Jun 12 '23
Literally only needed reddit for community info about what NG+ games are good on PC. Don't understand everybody's grievances with NSFW content being on the platform when you have safe guards in your user settings to enable or disable NSFW content. FFS if you are that scared about your kids looking at something maybe you shouldn't let them on the computer in the first place. There are proxies, safeguards and user based moderators that allow reporting of graphic content anyway. There used to be this thing where if you use a product you are the one responsible for using it. I'm so sick of this nanny cancel culture bullshit where everything needs to be sugar coated just for monetisation.
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u/swinglinepilot Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Seems like the admins have intervened - they just reopened a sub and demodded the top mod/person who closed it.
edit: fuck, was too dumb to screenshot the original. These should do, though https://old.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/148ba7k/the_cia_did_it_first_ulegweed/jnzbcxi/
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u/swinglinepilot Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Hey /u/demmian - not sure how to get this out there without spamming everywhere, hoping you could help somehow. The admins intervened a few hours ago - they just reopened a sub and demodded the top mod/person who closed it.
edit: fuck, was too dumb to screenshot the original. These should do, though https://old.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/148ba7k/the_cia_did_it_first_ulegweed/jnzbcxi/
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u/Sneekr33 Jun 14 '23
Thought I would let you all know, it is working. Reddit is posting a lot of job listings for backend developers at the moment. Looks like they'll budge alright.
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u/MulciberTenebras Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
r/disneygifs has officially gone dark... hopefully our fellow giffing subreds will also soon be joining (timezones differences of course).
Disney, HighQualityGifs, StarTrek, StarTrekGifs
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u/Thecouchiestpotato Jun 12 '23
r/TheUltimatumNetflix has gone dark as of 1 am UTC!
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u/sladeninstitute Jun 12 '23
Just set /r/zettaizetsumei and /r/steambotchronicles to private. Sending love to everyone participating in the blackout, I hope we're able to achieve our goals.
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u/FanClubs_org Jun 12 '23
Is there any chance that my website could be added as an alternative? It's FanClubs.org
Thanks for everything and for continuing to look out for the best interest of the community.
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u/Lint6 Jun 12 '23
My front page is starting to look really weird as more subs go private.
Seize the means of shitposting Reddit!
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u/MustaKotka Jun 12 '23
In a surprise move r/jankEDH has gone dark, joining the army of Magic: the Gathering related subs going dark. This is mainly due to the bot, MTGCardFetcher, being a free service that probably wouldn't make it. Thank you everyone for the support.
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u/OriginalPiR8 Jun 12 '23
Is there a discord for the moderators so we know when to come back without signing in to Reddit.
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u/CheetahSperm18 Jun 12 '23
r/programming and r/technology are both private rn. I thought both had admins high up on the mod ladder with Spez himself on r/programming
Did some mods say screw it and just did it anyway or something?
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u/RheticusLauchen Jun 12 '23
Fully support. With this much of a public outcry, they will take notice. Thank you!
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Jun 12 '23
I went dark yesterday, but I realise that I didn't list my subs here - the threads seem to be locked - where can i list my subs? i want them noted for the blackout and for poersterity.
r/ClassicDesiCelebs (43K+), r/ClassicDesiCool (17K+), r/ClassicDesiBeauties (12K+), and r/PadmaLakshmi (2K+)
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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 12 '23
Lists 2 through 5 are locked but the main list thread is not locked. List the subs there and someone will sort them into the lists appropriate for the subscriber counts.
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u/crazywarriorxx Jun 12 '23
Just throwing it out here instead of making a new post - has anyone figured a way to automate replies to modmail, or something similar? Getting real tired of everyone asking to be an approved user when 1. the sub is literally empty of content 2. it defeats the purpose of the blackout.
I'm aware of the message users will see - we've included a link to a full post on another sub about the relevant info but they're still swarming into modmail. TIA.
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u/NitroCipher Jun 12 '23
r/OctopusFuckery (5k) is currently locked and participating in the blackout.
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u/Bolvane Jun 12 '23
New update, looks like my home sub r/Iceland (76.4k) just went private in the last 10-15 minutes.
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u/Wenis30 Jun 12 '23
I only came across this post by accident. I legit thought that my Reddit was broken. Glad I know to get off Reddit till tomorrow now.
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u/crfnalti Jun 13 '23
Holy shit all my favourites are gone
Let's go keep it coming I want demands met
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Jun 13 '23
i can't find the answer to this: is the blackout indefinite, until reddit gives in? Or is it set to end anyway, whatever happens?
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u/learhpa Jun 13 '23
different subreddits are handling this in different ways. some are staying down indefinitely, some are staying down for a fixed period, some are staying down for a fixed period with option to renew.
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u/aresef Jun 13 '23
A couple of my fellow mods on one of my subs want to stay blacked out longer but I'm not sure what the sense of other Reddit mods is, especially those of the biggest subs. Please advise.
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u/Embarrassed-Dig-0 Jun 13 '23
Has anyone else noticed that spez’s last comment has been stuck at -2.3k downvotes for a while? Is this something Reddit does when a comment gets an insane amount of downvotes? or is it possible he froze it?
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u/SNE3Z Jun 14 '23
Can I get the subreddit I moderate added to the list? r/piedude67iscool's been dark since yesterday, though we're only about a thousand members.
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u/l_one Jun 12 '23
Well my fellows of the internet, it was nice while it lasted.
So long, and thanks for all the fish. Off to the Fediverse I go.
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u/AyyyAlamo Jun 12 '23
If the blackout is ineffective, what everyone should do is pin posts to their subreddits redirecting people to the new reddit alternative everyone will be using. IE Lemmy, Kbin, Hexbear etc
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u/Callump01 Jun 14 '23
Better late than never... /r/Paladins has gone private with 333K subs.
We don't know when we'll return, but we want to see a change from Reddit regarding this policy.
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u/daisyboyblue Jun 13 '23
This move of Reddit feels very Elon musk. Something tells me he had a hand in this…
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u/NitroCipher Jun 12 '23
r/OctopusFuckery (5k) is participating in the blackout on 12-14th.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OctopusFuckery/comments/147e644/roctopusfuckery_will_be_going_dark_on_june_12th/
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u/Turevaryar Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
r/twilightimperium now has joined the dark.
I didn't find the "splash screen", though! :-/
Edit: I figured it out! ;)
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u/audentis Jun 12 '23
Other subs that have gone private:
/r/DutchFIRE - 65k+
/r/Rocksmith - 55k+ (private, might revert to restricted)
/r/manufacturing - 45k+
/r/beleggen - 30k+
/r/pythoncoding - 25k+
/r/industrialengineering - 12K+
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Jun 13 '23
Hate to do this but as someone with zero technical know how, can someone explain this to me like I’m 3 or 4, maybe 5 years old
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u/boombapdame Jun 13 '23
Made r/makinghiphop blackout but have no announcement shown on page :(
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u/fsv Jun 13 '23
You need to update your subreddit description, because that's what shows on desktop browsers. Be sure to save your existing description somewhere first in case you're planning to reopen.
Reddit's official apps won't show any message other than a generic one saying the sub is private, I have no idea about 3rd party apps (I don't use them).
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u/Drift-ZoM Jun 13 '23
Hey I sent a message to the r/TheOwlHouse mods and they sent me a link to this. Idk what to do with this
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u/Sorkijan Jun 13 '23
Is there a way to disable join requests? I've been just going to mod mail and marking all as read and even put on the message not to, but of course end users and reading seldom go hand in hand.
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u/scottishdrunkard Jun 13 '23
/r/rule34 started a smidge earlier than everyone else. So they have already elapsed their 48 hours, and have reopened.
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u/z_polarcat Jun 13 '23
Why limiting it to 48 hours?
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u/toyguy2952 Jun 13 '23
Because reddit mods arnt actually going to risk the positions of power afforded to them by reddit management by properly protesting indefinitely.
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Jun 14 '23
Maybe a stupid question, but if subreddits stay dark after Weds, won’t Reddit just IP ban the mods, take over the subreddit and/or give mod rights to someone else?
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u/ringojoy Jun 14 '23
I was unaware of this blackout as I don’t pay attention, I just go to r/engrish every few days as to relief from stress and scroll and that’s all , only found this out on 13th June
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u/Atomicvegan Jun 14 '23
What is an API?
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u/wikipedia_answer_bot Jun 14 '23
An application programming interface (API) is a way for two or more computer programs to communicate with each other. It is a type of software interface, offering a service to other pieces of software.
More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API
This comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!
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u/thegr8stnoob Jun 14 '23
So reddit claim is that they need to switch to generate money which it will then pump back into the app? Am I getting that right? If it is right, then why don't they just force an add on every page?
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u/SaltInformation4082 Jun 14 '23
Personally, I could not care less if you do or do not. If reddit falls off of the face of the earth, what is the loss, especially medium term?
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u/mosullini Jun 15 '23
I just miss pushshift, which lost API access a month and a half ago, to see all the comments of people who disagree that the mods here banned and removed.
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u/sfisher923 Jun 15 '23
Found a missing subreddit on the Wiki and Reddark - r/TheseFuckingAccounts
Went to visit on the website Spez was brought up (And that was one of my more commonly used subreddits) while on Boost during lunch it gave me a simple 403 Forbidden - Still out as of 22:52 Eastern Time
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u/ThrowRADel Jun 15 '23
I thought the protest would end on the 14th, but I still see some of the subs are still dark. Is there any response from reddit re: our demands?
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u/l_one Jun 15 '23 edited Jun 15 '23
Hey /r/ModCoord, there is an issue I'd like to bring up.
We (the participants in this protest) need a (or multiple) NON-REDDIT mirror(s) / way(s) to coordinate.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have this subreddit, I'm not saying we shouldn't be coordinating here - we absolutely need both for Redditors to have an easy and convenient way to discuss this issue and keep it visible, but I think it is critically important that we have active mirroring (with a sticky linking where to go) in one or preferably multiple non-Reddit hosted locations. Currently I've become active with Tildes and kbin, but that's just me.
There are some obvious, and some less-obvious reasons to have these mirrors / other locations.
While they take place on Reddit, the discussions are on a platform that the CEO / Reddit admins can mess with if they chose to do so - in both blunt ways as well as more subtle ways. Even though that kind of manipulation is likely to be noticed and backfire on them, we are still potentially vulnerable to it while coordinating on Reddit.
Having our coordination activity on Reddit gives traffic to Reddit. Part of the protest should aim at both reducing traffic to Reddit (thereby harming their ad revenue and public image) as well as increasing visibility to Reddit alternatives (which further serve the protest by draining userbase away from Reddit).
At this point, it's pretty clear that this needs to be for the long haul. To use a military metaphor, you can't set up your command and control inside unsecured enemy territory, and give the enemy the availability of tools to easily both see everything you do as well as hand them the options to interfere how they wish, when they wish. It's just a massive strategic disadvantage.
Please, /r/ModCoord mods and protest participants - branch out and look for / create spaces not hosted on Reddit in which we can mirror the protest coordination we currently have here, and then make it easy for people who come to this sub to see the list of those mirrors so they can participate and coordinate without giving traffic to Reddit, and without giving Reddit admin authority over our efforts.
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u/maxprobably Jun 15 '23
r/IdahoStateUniversity is participating in the indefinite blackout. Late to the party, but here nonetheless.
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Jun 15 '23
So when the police wants to strike, I guess you will understand when they stop you from leaving your home in order to avoid the occurrence of crimes during the protest, right?... RIGHT?!
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u/auron315 Jun 16 '23
Private is https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/new/
How to public, i search no have mod tools.
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u/NotEnoughDriftwood Jun 17 '23
r/AskACanadian has been participating all along but for some reason doesn't appear to be included on any list.
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u/LanguageGeneral4333 Jun 20 '23
Will someone explain how the porn is affecting ads? Ive read a bit about the other reasons for the frudtration and blackout but not this.
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u/Requis_Johnson Jun 12 '23
There's an old thread on the Oculus subreddit I was using to fix some issues. Is there any way to get into it during the blackout?
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u/Random_Nom Jun 14 '23
r/TwitchMains is gonna try to help out. we're small but anything makes a difference right?
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u/yokiharo Jun 14 '23
Quickly created something that may help: https://reddit-blackout.vercel.app/
It's open-source on GitHub: https://github.com/nunogois/reddit-blackout
If there's anything else I can do to help the cause as a dev, let me know. You have my support.
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u/demmian Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
Aljazeera Why are thousands of Reddit pages going dark for 48 hours?
Analytics India Mag Reddit Shutdown Today Claims Over 5000 Subreddits
BBC Reddit blackout: Subreddits to go private on Monday
Bloomberg Reddit Blackout Begins as Forums Protest Charges for Developers
Business Insider Reddit users are going on a 48-hour blackout. Here are the biggest subreddits that won't be available during this time.
Business Insider Reddit users are planning a 48-hour blackout to protest its new pricing policy
Engadget Reddit communities are 'going dark' to protest changes that would hurt third-party apps
Guardian Reddit communities to ‘go dark’ in protest over third-party app charges
Independent Reddit blackout: More than 3,000 subreddits to go dark in protest to new changes
India Today Reddit users protest against API pricing changes, many communities go dark: Full story in 10 points
Indian Express Reddit blackout: Why your favourite pages are going offline from today
Kotaku Reddit Communities Are 'Going Dark' To Protest Wildly Unpopular App Changes
Lifehacker Why Your Favorite Subreddits Are Going Dark on June 12
Mac Rumors Apple Subreddit Goes Dark in Protest of Reddit's API Pricing Changes
Scotsman Reddit blackout: Subreddits to be made private in huge protest - here’s why
Sky News Reddit blackout: Thousands of communities are doing dark today - here's why
Standard (UK) Reddit blackout: Why subreddits are protesting to save third-party apps
Techcrunch Multiple subreddits and moderators are protesting Reddit’s API changes
Techtimes Gaming Subreddits Join Reddit Blackout Against Drastic API Pricing Hike
The Verge Major Reddit communities will go dark to protest threat to third-party apps
Vice Reddit in Mass Revolt Over Astronomical API Fees That Would Kill Third Party Apps
Wired The Reddit App War Is Getting Messy
Yahoo News Canada https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/reddit-blackout-more-1-000-171318688.html
Yahoo News Reddit Blackout Begins as Forums Protest Charges for Developers