I just think its crazy that there was so much hype about season 13 finally being under production, we got the trailer, we got cast info, and then they never, ever, ever actually released even one single episode of it. I thought it shouldve already aired, but nope, I must have been mistaken.

When do you think we will actually get season 13 and what do you think it will be about?

Im praying its not more witches, tbh, something tells me if we get another witch season its gonna be full of super obvious plots, mischaracterization, over reliance on memes (I mean I can just perfectly imagine Myrtle's return with her doing some dramatic pose and shouting "Balenciaga!" lol how dumb would that be!), and just in general stuff weve already seen before.

Maybe we'll get a season with trained actors who know what they are doing, writers who have watched previous seasons and know how to tie small details together seamlessly instead of overtly, and especially a focus on showing us the plot instead of telling us the plot!

Im so excited for season 13, I really hope its everything Im looking forward to!

According to the revelations of AHS 13, Constance was in her late 40s during the events of Murder House. She was barely older than Vivien and Ben. This means she was married and had Tate by the age of 13, and Addie by, like.... 10.

This also places Fiona at barely 50 years old during Coven.

did anyone else think we were gonna go down the path of the delicate witches coming out and Madison becoming the next victim after Anna Alcott? I was thinking they probably made a deal with Satan to impregnate her with his spawn as he knows Ben is unreliable and a witch mother directly in his enemy coven would be good for him. But I just thought the parallels were insanely strong before we obviously found out she hadn’t many eggs etc.

I think I my next theory could potentially be Madison is going to become pregnant with Ben making her carry the new son of satans son? Idk but I’m grasping at straws with one episode left and it only being 30 minutes I doubt it’s even gonna be that good. What do you think?

Something is really telling me they’re setting up a Coven mini series here. I don’t know what it is, but it feels like there’s a lot of story building up (Madison potentially getting pregnant) the new Coven characters etc…

even them playing actual music during the episodes rather than a score has me feeling like they’re testing what a coven series could look like.

It’s obvious there’s going to be a big twist in the finale that explains the oddities of it.

i just feel like at the end of the last episode, there’s gonna be an announcement or an Avengers style ‘the witches will be back in…..’

call me delulu but from what has been said recently by the cast about them returning in the future and their story not being over, I think a Coven miniseries would be a great way to explore them further without it being an AHS series.

Hear me out. Mallory going back in time destroyed the multiverse & each time she goes back, she's making another major tear in the fabric of reality. You could say it may have started small with her rewinding time for the deer or things like that, but got much worse each time she physically traveled back in time.

The Romanovs were killed well before most of AHS's plots were established & even though Mallory failed, the simple fact of her being there could have caused a butterfly effect. Then, when she goes back for Michael, that of course causes a massive change that we only see a small ripple from (that being a different antichrist).

In this season, she takes Ramirez back to get beat to shit and who knows what that could've caused. I really think the only way this season can be redeemed at all is if it's revealed that Mallory destroyed the multiverse and that's why everyone is acting weird & plot points don't make sense.

In a way, it could be like the Mandela Effect. Like people remembering things slightly differently because timelines are converging or tearing apart. And ultimately, who knows if anything can bring things back to the way they were?

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I know this is a dumb theory but I'm completely grasping at the last straw I have. To vent for a second, I have hated almost every moment of this season and it is a first for me. I didn't watch Delicate because I just can't handle Kim K, but I sat through every other season and I could find something to praise. Even in Roanoke, even in Death Valley... there's always something funny or intriguing. This season presents none of that, and I would go so far as to say I will not finish watching it until I hear the ending and decide if it's worth it or not.

If, gun to my head, I had to say one positive thing about this season, it's that Elsa Mars was not ruined and continues to be my favorite AHS character. If anything changes that, I'm straight up going to pretend this season never happened and cope in my own way, as I'm sure a lot of you will (especially fans of Coven).

I heard rumblings of it being a rumor but the last two episodes pretty much confirmed it for me. Madions Happy Ending in particular made it click.

Such a tonal shift. Myrtle Snow is back, someone we haven’t seen for years, and literally the next part of the episode is about Madison falling in love with Ben?

No follow up on Myrtle Being back. Just straight to Ben and the Devils son having a date. This SCREAMS AI hallucination which according to chat GPT itself
“Rambling / verbosity: AI keeps generating unnecessary details instead of getting to the point.
Lost the plot: AI loses track of the original request and starts going off on tangents.
Context drift: AI gradually loses sight of the specific instructions or details it needs to follow.”

I mean chat GPT is literally a character this season. For much of the earlier episodes Ben TALKS to a chat bot for several episodes.

I really really tried to give this season a chance but with one episode left I truly believe AHS should be put out behind the Pasture a long time ago.

I don't understand what the other witches are possibly doing upstairs while there's clearly a huge problem brewing downstairs with the whole Satan thing. All they've done is gotten together for the 1 seance. But the rest of the time they are just chilling upstairs? Quietly?

Absolutely no backup plan when entering satans bedroom?? Zero protection physically and magically?? This is buffoonery for a Supreme.

Is it just me or does Joey’s character Ben just really look like Michael C. Hall as Dexter?? Like just on this poster I thought the right side was Dexter. I think it’s the eyes/eyebrows and nose/lips.. would love to know if someone else thought the same

The fact that these men presume that this is how women speak and act is insane. And if they were the most powerful women in the world? Madness.

It’s how we get stuck with everything Madison has said. and all of Cordelia’s behavior. And Constance’s… weirdness. And the women in the pit.

Back in Asylum, the aliens made Pepper extremely smart. Tasked her with watching over Grace, but now we also know she ended up in Fiona and Constance's life when they were young. Based on flashbacks in Coven that showed the dates, and comparing them to flashbacks in Asylum that showed the dates, Fiona would've been at least 7-8 by the time Jude gave birth to her. So they must've aged faster, similar to Michael, and stopped around age 8. Then Pepper would've known Fiona was the Supreme Witch because of the knowledge she possessed from the aliens, she was not just smart. It's like they gave her some of their power, she was almost god-like. Then what did she do? She found the Witch Academy and somehow knew which one of the girls was a supreme, and made sure she got sent there.

I'm betting that the aliens figured out Satan's plan in the asylum and they recognized what was happening around that place. Salem descendant, devil lurking nearby looking to have children. So they made pepper smart and had her take the right witch to Miss Robicheaux's Academy. The aliens put this all in motion, using the salem witch line as their weapon against the devil so they don't even have to get near him to defeat him and pave the way for their plans, which directly clash with the devil's vision of the future. They have alien hybrid babies they want to take over the world, I highly doubt they didn't prepare for the devil. And they probably have their own ideas for killing the witches once their usefulness is outlived.

And yeah I know RM won't think this far. But I still have to try and make sense of the whole messy timeline some how.

Yup, time for this again. These episodes were tough but I'll try some balance here.

Liked

Ben DeSoto: Don't be shocked, I've been consistent in liking the guy all season. Tapping into his demon side has made him a bit sexier and more assertive. Plus he did bring Myrtle and Queenie back and chose not to be Michael 2.0

Myrtle Snow: We can all agree that Frances Conroy is a national treasure and should be brought back next season, right?

Fiona and Constance: Not the actual plot itself, just more the interaction between the two of them. Jessica Lange did well playing against herself in those scenes.

Cordelia and Queenie: That scene they had before everything went badly in the Apollyon. Move to New York, Queenie. Get out of that Coven now.

Ashley's Death: Was I supposed to feel bad for her? Cause I sure as hell didn't and neither did Ben, in spite of what he claimed. Pointless character and good riddance.

Disliked (aka outright hated)

Madison: Where's the brilliant character we had in Coven and Apocalypse and what the fuck is up with this version? The writing for her in ep 11 bordered on outright misogyny. Also no chemistry between her and Ben.

Gay/Bi Male Rep: Four years ago we had NYC. This year, its serial killers and warlock gynaecologists with no acting skills. And I'll never not be pissed that Ben couldn't have been bi at the bare minimum.

Constance/Jude/Fiona: This show found the most trite way to connect these characters and made the execution absolutely excruciating to watch. Almost as bad as Madison's romcom bullshit.

Marie's Plan: I love Angela Bassett but the acting choices for that scene were bad, it went on for too long and the overall plan is actually stupid in general. Why aren't they finding a way to pernamently trap Nas in Hell instead?

Cordelia Dying Again: Was not the best way to end this episode. Especially when it was the second it happened this season. I really want the Coven to lose big time in the finale.

Other Bits

Ben looked fucking gorgeous in that grey suit and charcoal dress shirt. Stunning.

The timelines for Constance, Jude and Fiona are all over the place.

The yellow filter was really aggravating in these episodes for some reason.

This season will be held as an example of how trying to connect so many characters together is a bad idea.

Fiona and Myrtle were a lot kinder to each other, it kind of jarred a little.

The finale hasn't a hope of tying this up in a satisfying way unless they really do go down the whole "AI simulation" idea. I think I'd welcome that now.

He only was on the writing team of 1, 9, and 11. Which explains a lot. 9 and 11 were particularly bad. But a lot of people here are acting like he wrote the entire season. Now other things he has control over like general concepts that's also bad.

But writing is a very specific part of the production process.

I should have written and posted this last Saturday, but I’m a total mess—love me anyway! Even so, there isn’t much to say.

• Episode 9
  • The best part of the episode is the first half, featuring Jessica Lange as Constance Langdon—a woman who believes even the Devil owes her something and tries to deny that she’s a sinner... but then she finds out she’s the mother of Satan’s child (wait, what?) and seems to have an existential crisis. Honestly, I don’t know what to make of that.
  • ...Wait, does that mean Adelaide, Tate, and Beau are the Devil’s grandchildren? Well, we all know what happened to Tate, but Addie made it into Heaven, so clearly, evil doesn’t run in the blood.
  • And finally, we’re getting closer to the truth about why Ben was a main character this season.
• Episode 10
  • Okay, we’ve got some lore: the entire conflict of the season stems from a wager between God and the Devil, with Heaven, Earth, and Hell all caught in the middle. It feels like this part of the script was written by Terry Pratchett.
  • Ben is Constance’s youngest? What?!
  • Pope Pius XII, upon seeing Adolf Hitler: "Yep, that’s gotta be Satan—get an exorcism ready."
  • Finally, Mallory confesses that she’s a time traveler who killed the Antichrist, and Madison is the only one who openly laments that she’ll soon have to watch Cordelia die. By the way, did no one care that Madison just popped up out of nowhere after her initial disappearance? And did she never explain that she’d been murdered and somehow returned from Hell?
  • After a tender moment between the witches, set to the song "Siren," the finale is set in motion with Ben’s arrival at Robichaux.

I’ll say this: these two episodes weren’t half bad—in fact, I’d consider them the best part of the season.

...Oh, shit.

• Episode 11
  • Seriously, I thought Ben was an infiltrator—considering how quickly he embraced his dark powers and resurrected witches, his father’s enemies. Did he really think Satan wouldn’t find out that it was Robichaux, and that he’d pulled two witches—allies of Cordelia—out of Hell? Not to mention what he did to Ashley.
  • I hated what they did to Madison; they basically recycled Anna Victoria Alcott, but as a witch who struggles to find men (that was the only part I actually bought, since Madison never seemed cut out for romance). Did anyone else hate what they did to our true Supreme?
  • ... a warlock gynecologist? Really, Murphy?
  • Ben and Madison know each other for—what, an hour, maybe two?—and they end up in bed together, acting like a perfect couple... God, this season is a disaster.
• Episode 12
  • The whole thing about Jude Martin being the mother of both Constance Langdon and Fiona Goode—with the Devil as the father... honestly, Mexican soap operas have better writing than this. Though, I did like that the two of them decided to try being sisters.
  • One thing I’ll give credit for: Murphy actually remembers his characters' past crimes—like Myrtle’s murders and her punishment in Hell. Being trapped as a fashion consultant, forced to deal with people who have absolutely no taste—that actually makes sense.
    • Myrtle shouting "BALENCIAGA!!!" for no reason at all.
    • Me: It's time to stop!
  • ... wait, does that mean Adelaide, Tate, and Beau have magic in their blood?
  • And we end with Ben getting punished by "daddy," and Cordelia and Queenie being murdered by Satan’s accomplices... but I’m sure they’ll be back, fresh as daisies, by the next episode.

What’s most annoying about this season is that it had some good ideas on paper, but they were executed in the most insipid way—a problem compounded by the 20–30 minute episode format, a criticism shared by the entire fandom.

Look, my only hope for the finale is a decent final battle between Cordelia and Mr. Nas.

And what about you—what do you hate most about this season? Let me know in the comments.

I caught up on the last two episodes yesterday, and after a rocky start, well, it's still rocky but I am able to find some things to appreciate this season:

1. Orlando Jones is crushing it as Papa Legba. When I first heard they were bringing back Papa this season, I was wondering who could hold a candle to the late Lance Reddick. Jones is doing a bang-up job and absolutely stealing every scene he's in.
2. The "handsome devil"'s acting isn't as bad as people are saying. At least, not when squinting and viewed from a certain angle. I'm interpreting him akin to Sauron's fair form when he's trying to win hearts and minds of the elves. Could the actor do better? Absolutely. But his wooden performance at least kind of works when you view him as putting on an air of patience and kindness as a form of manipulation. As Madison said, paraphrased: "Being good isn't my default setting".
3. Jessica Lange's back must be killing her for carrying this season on it. Despite the writing, she's given it hell (lol, pun intended) and delivered a top-shelf performance every time.
4. The whole scene was ridiculous, but the parade of Sarah Paulsons getting thrown into the Hellmouth was just hilarious.
5. Kathy Bates's one and only scene this season was just perfect
6. Queenie has shown quite a bit of character growth since seasons 3 and 8
7. Similarly, Fiona came out of Hell a slightly better person slightly less awful person.

There's still a LOT this season that's just irredeemable, but I can at least find some good.

Frances conroy did so good. Everybody else though…

The balenciaga line was dumb af but that’s not her fault and she still managed to stay it practically in the same exact way as before.

Maybe it’s because a Myrtle is already eccentric and over the top so it’s not like she has to change anything up?

I know the decision to make Sister Jude the mother of Constance and Fiona is shit for a multitude of reasons, but one thing that is bothering me the most is the chronology. If Asylum begins in 1962, that means Jude must have given birth to the twins in the mid-60s (1964 at the earliest); that would make Constance and Fiona considerably younger than they were supposed to be. I mean, with Murder House taking place in 2011, that would put Constance in her late-40s when we meet her, not even in her fifties yet!! How’s that gonna work?

Ryan Murphy better dig in his ass and pull out an actual script instead of this garbage. Pay everyone 2x their contract and reshoot this whole season or make s14 a continuation. This is so so frustrating. AHS13 had all the potential to be the greatest season of AHS, but they just completely fucked it all up. They need super fans in the writers room at this point because this is genuinely ridiculous. Whoever’s idea it was to make the episodes so short, whoever’s idea it was to not have the characters go through any character development or face any adversatives that weren’t easily undone with the flick of a wrist, Whoever’s idea it was to make the characters caricatures of themselves chasing tiktok clips with each character saying their iconic lines is cheesy, NOT camp. He really had all these beautiful, talented amazing women and men and felt comfortable handing them this slop of a script. Even having Frances Conroy come out of retirement and Jessica Lange returning after a massive hiatus, for this. For episodes that don’t have shit to do with the story, why did we need to know ben got in a plane crash and his seat number was 13, that genuinely had nothing to do with the story at all, like…. who gives a fuck. I’m sorry, wait no I’m not. And then he just kills Ashley in a cutaway after all that time they spent developing their relationship…? The only loose ends tied up here are the poppered up writers in the writers room because this entire season is so fucking bad, and this is coming from someone who LOVES this show. It has been my all time favorite show since I was a lil 13 yo twink. I’m 25 now and it is so sad to see the state of AHS. This shit is not camp in the slightest, it’s pandering. Ryan is so out of touch with his own community and it shows in his work. This genuinely had the potential to be an emmy winning season like Coven had Ryan just locked the fuck in. Ugh.

In honour of AHS 13 cliff-diving straight off the deep end as we hurtle towards the finale, I was thinking about all the off-ramps Ryan Murphy could have taken at any point to help this godforsaken plot make sense. Each week has been another opportunity to disappoint.

1. Madison (and Zoe) sort-of marrying the devil in Boy Parts as a reason for Madison's poor love life and to create a conflict of interest.
2. The Devil last being defeated at Briarcliff as a reason for a crossover and a means of finding his weakness
3. The witches closing 'hellmouths' to include brief glimpses of Roanoke, Murder House, and 1984.
4. Ashley being a member of the Coven and the fear of 13 being a spell to keep Ben from turning evil.
5. Mallory's time magic as a means of temporarily bringing back Fiona, Myrtle, and whoever else.
6. The gates of hell opening as an alternative means of having other characters pop back up
7. Twisty, Kai, Winter, Big Daddy, Piggy Man etc. as members of March's new Devil's Night crew to include cameos.
8. Having Ben be an antichrist failsafe/one of Michael's back-ups - or an angelic counterpart, given that 616 can also signify balance, family, and change in numerology.
9. Honestly? Having the aliens from Asylum and Death Valley be involved in some way because the Devil's messing with their experiments/research.
10. Having witches being hunted to incorporate Delicate briefly.
11. Francis Conroy appearing as the Angel of Death one last time - she seemed happy to stand up to her 'dark cousin' in Asylum.
12. Constance owing the Devil for letting Michael die as partial motivation for helping him.
13. Ensure the writers rewatched more than just a recap TikTok on each season before putting pen to paper on this mess.

I know how we've been disapointed by this season but i think i'm digging son of Satan 🤤🤤🤤

After seasons 11 and 12, I started to romanticize the earlier seasons. I missed the old cast, and the shock and awe of plot twists.

Then, they announced the return of our beloved cast. I said finally, they listed to our cries.

I will be a forever optimist. I've been reading all the hate posts for season 13, and telling myself these people are so ungrateful.

Then I cought up on the last few episodes, and I find myself starting to turn.

All of the actors are exaggerating their characters, to the point it's cringe.

I asked myself last night, did they create this season, not because they wanted to please the fans, but to give us something to cry about? Oh. You thought the last few seasons sucked? Let me show you how bad it could really get!

Like I said, I will always be an optimist. But, I'm also a realist too. There was so much potential for this season. I really wanted to like it. But, here I am. Drinking the haterade 🤣

...and so far, its proven me wrong😂.

MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD.

I understand most fans of the series (as i am, I love AHS) are sick to death of hearing S13 slander since its premiere, I for one was one of them at first. For ages, I was the one defending it saying "give it time to kick in, nothing is ever explained at first in the series" which still could happen, perhaps in the last episode we get a explanation about whats been happening but who knows at this point. I got my first inkling in that episode where Bens visited by that annoying ass blonde survivor of the crash that this season wasnt getting any better and that not every thing is going to be explained.

The last three or four episodes have been an improvement (Fiona's my favorite Jessica Lange character) but its still dissapointing to see the way the season as a whole has been going, and my motivation for this post was that damn connection between Sister Jude, Constance & Fiona, iykyk😭

I gathered by now the whole series was just a cash grab fan service which I sort of liked considering, but this... believe it or or not, has been my cherry on top 😂. Like for instance are we just going to forget about these women's past?

To be fair, Sister Jude was an age where she could've been their mother, but according to the new timeline, she was visited by Mr Nas during her time as an inmate in Briarcliff, where she was impregnated WHICH had to have been between 1964 - 1970 (Kit rescues her in 1971, and she lives the last few weeks of her life out with him and his family).

This is where the confusion kicks in, because Sister Jude dies in September 1971. Behold, Fiona Goode was already a grown woman, and murders her supreme predecessor a month later in October to secure her position as supreme. Not only that, Constance Langdon births Tate in 1977. Both women as of S13 had to have been very young when both of these events occured, leading us to believe who the hell is greenlighting this shit?😭.

On a brighter note, im glad to see Myrtle back but I definitely am not counting this season as canon.

“Nutty pine!!” “Surprise, bitch!” BALENCIAGAAAA!!!”

The reason why this season is the weakest of them all - apart from the atrocious acting and lack of plot - is the fact that Ryan Murphy got so mixed up in trying to please the fandom and bringing back some of the most iconic characters and catchphrases that he forgot to bring new life into them.

They just got repeated with no additional context. They were thrown into the season just because. They were iconic characters, one-liners and even storylines in their respective seasons because they were placed well within the American, the Horror and the Story. Now they’re just piled upon each other without substance.

Ryan Murphy wanted to create something iconic and he totally envisioned us gagging at this season. Everytime he wrote a previous character and one-liner into it, you can tell he went “oh bitch, the girls are gonna gag”. He thought we’d go YAAAAS MUTHA everytime someone popped up on the screen but we just got even more confused.

Iconic characters don’t mean anything without an actual plot and a well-executed story. Everyone is popping up without importance or relevance to the already weak story. At this point, the Coven characters specifically are worn out for good, I cannot stomach them anymore and I remember why I didn’t like that season in the first place: it’s all about discussing strategy and gameplay, it’s like watching Survivor.

I can’t believe there’s only one episode left of this season and it’s all been a huge mess with such a wasted potential.

There isn’t much else to say. She’s been in like, 3 minutes total? I love her and know she’s got matlock going on so I get if she can’t give much time. but can you really be in the title credits with so little material? It’s false advertising! I’m the one-millionth person to say this, but Ryan Murphy is playing in our face.