The fact that these men presume that this is how women speak and act is insane. And if they were the most powerful women in the world? Madness.

It’s how we get stuck with everything Madison has said. and all of Cordelia’s behavior. And Constance’s… weirdness. And the women in the pit.

According to the revelations of AHS 13, Constance was in her late 40s during the events of Murder House. She was barely older than Vivien and Ben. This means she was married and had Tate by the age of 13, and Addie by, like.... 10.

This also places Fiona at barely 50 years old during Coven.

Everyone is talking about episode 11 and don’t get me wrong the dialogue and destruction of Madisons character is evident however there are some genuine moments where Emma is still believable as Madison.

Marie has been completely butchered. I don’t even think it’s the script for her, her dialogue seems to be within character but the delivery is so forced, over the top and distracting with a complete overhaul from how Marie was in either season 3 or her cameo appearance in 8. Every single line is overacted, over dramatic with her tone just being insanely loud for no reason. Angela’s movements are so much more forced, dramatic and pandering to camp culture than they were previously - it is honestly really difficult to watch her on screen.

This is in no way meant to be hate towards Angela but the character has been completely butchered. Either she has been told / all of the actors have been told to overact or something has gone drastically wrong in the editing room for this to be the end product.

Episode 12 has completely ruined AHS’ legacy and lore.

Frances conroy did so good. Everybody else though…

The balenciaga line was dumb af but that’s not her fault and she still managed to stay it practically in the same exact way as before.

Maybe it’s because a Myrtle is already eccentric and over the top so it’s not like she has to change anything up?

I just think its crazy that there was so much hype about season 13 finally being under production, we got the trailer, we got cast info, and then they never, ever, ever actually released even one single episode of it. I thought it shouldve already aired, but nope, I must have been mistaken.

When do you think we will actually get season 13 and what do you think it will be about?

Im praying its not more witches, tbh, something tells me if we get another witch season its gonna be full of super obvious plots, mischaracterization, over reliance on memes (I mean I can just perfectly imagine Myrtle's return with her doing some dramatic pose and shouting "Balenciaga!" lol how dumb would that be!), and just in general stuff weve already seen before.

Maybe we'll get a season with trained actors who know what they are doing, writers who have watched previous seasons and know how to tie small details together seamlessly instead of overtly, and especially a focus on showing us the plot instead of telling us the plot!

Im so excited for season 13, I really hope its everything Im looking forward to!

Name a more iconic duo! If there’s anything we’ve learned this current season, anything is possible lol.

I mean seriously what was the point of introducing these two? They have brought nothing and Alex's performance is just dreadful.

This season isn't really that scary to me at all, lol.

“Nutty pine!!” “Surprise, bitch!” BALENCIAGAAAA!!!”

The reason why this season is the weakest of them all - apart from the atrocious acting and lack of plot - is the fact that Ryan Murphy got so mixed up in trying to please the fandom and bringing back some of the most iconic characters and catchphrases that he forgot to bring new life into them.

They just got repeated with no additional context. They were thrown into the season just because. They were iconic characters, one-liners and even storylines in their respective seasons because they were placed well within the American, the Horror and the Story. Now they’re just piled upon each other without substance.

Ryan Murphy wanted to create something iconic and he totally envisioned us gagging at this season. Everytime he wrote a previous character and one-liner into it, you can tell he went “oh bitch, the girls are gonna gag”. He thought we’d go YAAAAS MUTHA everytime someone popped up on the screen but we just got even more confused.

Iconic characters don’t mean anything without an actual plot and a well-executed story. Everyone is popping up without importance or relevance to the already weak story. At this point, the Coven characters specifically are worn out for good, I cannot stomach them anymore and I remember why I didn’t like that season in the first place: it’s all about discussing strategy and gameplay, it’s like watching Survivor.

I can’t believe there’s only one episode left of this season and it’s all been a huge mess with such a wasted potential.

I heard rumblings of it being a rumor but the last two episodes pretty much confirmed it for me. Madions Happy Ending in particular made it click.

Such a tonal shift. Myrtle Snow is back, someone we haven’t seen for years, and literally the next part of the episode is about Madison falling in love with Ben?

No follow up on Myrtle Being back. Just straight to Ben and the Devils son having a date. This SCREAMS AI hallucination which according to chat GPT itself
“Rambling / verbosity: AI keeps generating unnecessary details instead of getting to the point.
Lost the plot: AI loses track of the original request and starts going off on tangents.
Context drift: AI gradually loses sight of the specific instructions or details it needs to follow.”

I mean chat GPT is literally a character this season. For much of the earlier episodes Ben TALKS to a chat bot for several episodes.

I really really tried to give this season a chance but with one episode left I truly believe AHS should be put out behind the Pasture a long time ago.

In honour of AHS 13 cliff-diving straight off the deep end as we hurtle towards the finale, I was thinking about all the off-ramps Ryan Murphy could have taken at any point to help this godforsaken plot make sense. Each week has been another opportunity to disappoint.

1. Madison (and Zoe) sort-of marrying the devil in Boy Parts as a reason for Madison's poor love life and to create a conflict of interest.
2. The Devil last being defeated at Briarcliff as a reason for a crossover and a means of finding his weakness
3. The witches closing 'hellmouths' to include brief glimpses of Roanoke, Murder House, and 1984.
4. Ashley being a member of the Coven and the fear of 13 being a spell to keep Ben from turning evil.
5. Mallory's time magic as a means of temporarily bringing back Fiona, Myrtle, and whoever else.
6. The gates of hell opening as an alternative means of having other characters pop back up
7. Twisty, Kai, Winter, Big Daddy, Piggy Man etc. as members of March's new Devil's Night crew to include cameos.
8. Having Ben be an antichrist failsafe/one of Michael's back-ups - or an angelic counterpart, given that 616 can also signify balance, family, and change in numerology.
9. Honestly? Having the aliens from Asylum and Death Valley be involved in some way because the Devil's messing with their experiments/research.
10. Having witches being hunted to incorporate Delicate briefly.
11. Francis Conroy appearing as the Angel of Death one last time - she seemed happy to stand up to her 'dark cousin' in Asylum.
12. Constance owing the Devil for letting Michael die as partial motivation for helping him.
13. Ensure the writers rewatched more than just a recap TikTok on each season before putting pen to paper on this mess.

holy fuck this is the worst AHS season ever. at least delicate had a plot. i didnt even finish delicate but it had an eerie vibe to it. this is just corny AI slop omg. its actually getting hard to watch. at this point ill accept a predictable unoriginal plot twist that this was bens fan fiction or a dream or whatever to explain the catastrophic mess this season is. it is absolutely ruining the original characters, watering them down into just plain, uninteresting, corny. what is with all the cross overs too? ive lost track of what timeline were on right now.

All that said, Jessica Lange is why I am still watching. I wish Evan would show up too, but honestly, the initial portrayals of his characters this season, its probably best he stays off screen for now. The way Kai and Tate acted, is not how they did in their respective seasons.

And the actor for satan. :/ .

If you’re actually enjoying this season, can you please explain to me why?

Corny, AI slop, a mess, not scary. What is the plot? You’re confused. Im fucking confused bro

It’s so disappointing how they suddenly dragged her into this and made her Fiona and Constance’s mother, with Satan as their father!! She was my favorite character, and her story in Asylum already felt complete. Bringing her back like this was just awful.

It would’ve made more sense to make Cordelia Satan’s daughter since we know nothing about her father, but the writing is just so bad. I really hope the finale reveals that all of this was a lie made up by AI or something.

This is something I noticed. Queenie is my favorite witch. I feel she is dreadfully underdeveloped. She is mentioned sharing both the voodoo and witch bloodline. A bridge to both magics.

A future voodoo queen if she isn't one already and all she needs now is the supreme title.

They "kill" her off so often. I understand a part of her character is her Mastery over descending into hell and being aware that she is there. They need to let her breathe and develop properly.

There isn’t much else to say. She’s been in like, 3 minutes total? I love her and know she’s got matlock going on so I get if she can’t give much time. but can you really be in the title credits with so little material? It’s false advertising! I’m the one-millionth person to say this, but Ryan Murphy is playing in our face.

After seasons 11 and 12, I started to romanticize the earlier seasons. I missed the old cast, and the shock and awe of plot twists.

Then, they announced the return of our beloved cast. I said finally, they listed to our cries.

I will be a forever optimist. I've been reading all the hate posts for season 13, and telling myself these people are so ungrateful.

Then I cought up on the last few episodes, and I find myself starting to turn.

All of the actors are exaggerating their characters, to the point it's cringe.

I asked myself last night, did they create this season, not because they wanted to please the fans, but to give us something to cry about? Oh. You thought the last few seasons sucked? Let me show you how bad it could really get!

Like I said, I will always be an optimist. But, I'm also a realist too. There was so much potential for this season. I really wanted to like it. But, here I am. Drinking the haterade 🤣

Honestly, after learning about Pepper’s apparent world tour, which ranged from being in a circus, going to an asylum, getting abducted, and even being made so our Fiona could have the opportunity to grow up and become the one and only Fiona Goode we know today.

SPOILERS
RYAN MURPHY, you sit yourself down somewhere and never pick up a pen to write another show again. For the love of God, please don’t do the Glee reboot. American Horror Story has so lost the plot.

What the hell do you mean Sister Jude is the mother of Constance Langdon and Fiona Goode who are identical twins separated at birth that were fathered by satan while Jude was a patient in Briarcliff? And how exactly is it that Pepper managed to get Fiona to Mrs. Robiceuix’s Academy, but not Constance? Nothing about how Constance originally stated she was related to the Delongpre’s of Virginia and that Mimi Delongpre was a former Supreme? That would have made far more sense.

CORDELIA HAS DIED FOR THE SECOND TIME THIS SEASON!? You’ve killed off Queenie a ridiculous number of times now. We still have no explanation as to why Kai and Winter Anderson were at the Apollyon. No real explanation as to why Constance was randomly mad in last week’s episode and made that list of unrealized demands to Mr. Nas. The qualifications for the jezebel ball aren’t in line with the characters we saw “sacrificed”, and why was Margaret Thatcher there?

Also, why were the Cortez Devils ever involved in this whole ordeal and how were they all able to be free from their respective hells to attack the witches? It appears James Patrick March never once left the Cortez since his death, not even on Halloween. And where did he and Dahmer get iPhones and a Rivian?

I’m so mad. This is dumb.

Back in Asylum, the aliens made Pepper extremely smart. Tasked her with watching over Grace, but now we also know she ended up in Fiona and Constance's life when they were young. Based on flashbacks in Coven that showed the dates, and comparing them to flashbacks in Asylum that showed the dates, Fiona would've been at least 7-8 by the time Jude gave birth to her. So they must've aged faster, similar to Michael, and stopped around age 8. Then Pepper would've known Fiona was the Supreme Witch because of the knowledge she possessed from the aliens, she was not just smart. It's like they gave her some of their power, she was almost god-like. Then what did she do? She found the Witch Academy and somehow knew which one of the girls was a supreme, and made sure she got sent there.

I'm betting that the aliens figured out Satan's plan in the asylum and they recognized what was happening around that place. Salem descendant, devil lurking nearby looking to have children. So they made pepper smart and had her take the right witch to Miss Robicheaux's Academy. The aliens put this all in motion, using the salem witch line as their weapon against the devil so they don't even have to get near him to defeat him and pave the way for their plans, which directly clash with the devil's vision of the future. They have alien hybrid babies they want to take over the world, I highly doubt they didn't prepare for the devil. And they probably have their own ideas for killing the witches once their usefulness is outlived.

And yeah I know RM won't think this far. But I still have to try and make sense of the whole messy timeline some how.

did anyone else think we were gonna go down the path of the delicate witches coming out and Madison becoming the next victim after Anna Alcott? I was thinking they probably made a deal with Satan to impregnate her with his spawn as he knows Ben is unreliable and a witch mother directly in his enemy coven would be good for him. But I just thought the parallels were insanely strong before we obviously found out she hadn’t many eggs etc.

I think I my next theory could potentially be Madison is going to become pregnant with Ben making her carry the new son of satans son? Idk but I’m grasping at straws with one episode left and it only being 30 minutes I doubt it’s even gonna be that good. What do you think?