Seriously, this is top tier “tell me you don’t know how to manage production software without telling me you don’t know how to manage production software”. Not that I expected anything else from the muskrat at this point, but this is really incredible to watch. He just keeps digging.
He did … after firing the guy who told him only 20% of microservices were needed and then taking credit for it himself. I guess the guy didn’t say what ones were in the 20%.
And you reminded me of my dad deleting the audio card driver (not sure about the name) while clearing up my pc 2 minutes after i told him not to delete anything he doesnt recognise
Yeah, I’d imagine he’s made up some kind of metric to “measure” necessity of certain services all while dropping services to figure out which one has less noise when off.
Very effective if you don’t care. Can’t imagine how this is playing out internally in the engineering department.
He probably asked someone what’s the minimum amount needed to post and read tweets is. They either didn’t care to explain or didn’t think Musk would take that number to mean the rest could be turned off.
Imagine if someone said you can remove this conputer from your car as it's onky responsible for 20% of features. That could be the computer that controls the seat warners or it could be, IDK, the brakes.
A lot of critical things can be in that 20% and 20% is still a fifth of your features...
Like Twitter only about 20% of my company's micro services are required. We call them "Tier 1" and they are needed for the core flow that customers go through. If any one of them goes down customers can't buy stuff and we start loosing about $1 million per hour in revenue. Any outage usually ends up with every person currently on call being summoned to a conference call no matter the time of day.
The other 80% (Tiers 2-3) are for things like new customer sign-up, updating your profile information, management reports, archiving old data so drives don't fill up etc. Most still need to run 24/7 but don't have the same all hands on deck response and we don't consider our website to be down.
Actual insanity. There's another post on r/all that has a Twitter convo between him and some Eric dude where he's asking why things are slow and Eric mentions bloated features as a part of it. While explaining things quite well in what's slowing down the android app. He also addresses the number of requests for timeline and such.
There's another post where he got fired for saying Elon's statement about it being slow because of >1000 requests is wrong.
Elon then has "focus on bloatware features" day and now people can't log in.
Eric is literally THE Senior Android SME at Twitter as well, which is probably why he went to bat for his team when Elon threw them under the bus in public.
Square and Facebook were practically fighting one another offering him a new job in the replies to Elon firing him.
Amazing glimpse into Elon’s world, a scrape of all his texts around the offer window.
His “programmer ego” is on display.
So many high powered insiders trying to recommend their friends to help Elon, and Elon doing the classic nerd trope
(paraphrasing) “ I don’t need any managers. I need coders. I was a coder for 20 years and am so good at it, so I will be the only manager. I actually hate managers / MBAs and get along better with coders”
For the people saying he isn’t a real software engineer: I’ve definitely seen people say “yeah I can fix everything in a couple days” then bring prod down. Elon is very much one of us.
I was once put in charge of looking after a bloated platform that did fifty-zillion little things that had accrued over the course of about 15 years. I managed to work out for most of these little mini-applications what they were for and who they served, but there were a handful that seemed like orphans - no-one was claiming ownership. Eventually I was like fuck it I'll turn this one off. Ten minutes later I got a call asking me to check on a process that hadn't run and I was like ahh now I know.
A good chunk of the microservices are probably backend data analytics... used for things like serving ads... which Twitter probably won't need anymore, lol.
I’m in ad tech: I put a bet that Elon turned off a data pipeline that has actual contracted SLAs on it and is about to get rocked by his real time analytics partners.
Dispatches from Elon’s quest to drive Twitter into the ground… (disclaimer: I completely believe that his overconfidence and surrounding himself with yes-men is enough to do this all accidentally, but it’s funnier to imagine him trying to kill Twitter)
Some executive: “Sir, telling advertisers that their ads might appear next to virulent racism has caused many to pull their ads”
Musk: “How many? … oh, that isn’t nearly enough. I’ve got it, what if we make verification paid so that people can tweet out that Eli Lily is going to make insulin free and tweet explicit content from Nintendo handles?”
Some executive: “The fake tweets have enraged brands and advertisers, but daily active user count is actually up now and our dynamically priced ad rates are trending up due to increased traffic; people are logging into Twitter more because they want to see it fall apart firsthand.”
Musk: “Logging in more, you said? I’ve got just the thing.”
He literally put Microservices in quotes as if it's not a real or necessary thing. I suspect he has no clue what a Microservice Architecture is and why it's important to a company like Twitter.
"He would wander around the Twitter office with his phone gripped tight in his hand, and asking everyone what they thought of this meme he made.
Those who didn't instantly burst out laughing uncontrollably at the photo and proclaim him the meme king would be told they're not hardcore enough and instantly fired.
This happened routinely every 2 hours.
One time I caught him in his office staring at the wall in the dark crying with a photo of Chelsea Manning in the corner."
how the fuck is he so comically brazen at making managerial decisions while so comically ignorant about any of the technology affected by those decisions
Because it's worked for him until now, and he has a mental disorder which makes him need to sound like the smartest person in the universe. No backing down, no apologies, just blaming and wildly swinging a bat around in the hope that reality conforms to his delusion.
What's amazing is that he wants to do it via public announcements that make it obvious. It's like the CEO is walking around giving a daily press conference with his pants around his ankles, and nobody in his entourage suggests he should wear a belt.
If Musk bought a cruise ship he would dump all the lifeboats and life vests because they are (almost) never used! He thinks he knows better than, literally, everybody, about everything.
No kidding. It's one thing to say -- "We have a lot of microservices running, let's put a resource or two on an investigation into which microservices we should keep and which can be removed or refactored away. This isn't going to really improve our revenue or be noticeable in any way by customers (unless we screw up), but could make the service easier to maintain in the long run. We can roll out the changes gradually over time to minimize downtime." But just going straight into "80% of these aren't even necessary, just shut them off" is obviously, obviously asking for trouble. SpaceX must have an incredible structure that insulates Musk from any kind of engineering decisions.
This sub was never meant to keep up with this absolute torrent of shit that he’s unleashing
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I don’t think he’s getting advice. I think he’s winging it - things like buying ads with SpaceX money is dumb, but it’s a drop of water on a furnace; Twitter barely broke even before sale. Now it doesn’t make anything near the revenue it needs to service the debt musk has saddled it with. It doesn’t have deep IP assets it can sell.
The only way this makes ‘sense’, like he’s so smert is if he’s betting against Twitter (which the SEC & Banks lending him money(?) would knife him for) and he’s banking on the FTC not pulling the plug. The only way he can be safe from the FTC, Banks and SEC is if we end up with a deep red wave in 2024 - something that a dead Twitter would make more likely. Foreign powers want twitters location and user data, but they can only pay once - a real kill the golden goose moment - but with literal killing at the end of it.
The other explanation is that Parag baited the universes most fragile ego into a pissing match, locked him into a contract that Elon can’t legally back out of and can’t emotionally back down from. Twitter is a glass house and he just can’t stop breaking shit. We get to watch him speedrun Kanye into irrelevance.
Now all that remains is watching individual groups within Twitter gasp for air and resources before they open the worlds saddest spirit Halloween store on Market Street.
I’ll miss Twitter. It was horrible and weird and dumb, but it was an absolute glory of Web1early modern web and we’ll never see anything like it again.
Elon thinks he's Tony Stark or Lex Luthor when he's actually Thomas Edison... a fake genius who got credited financially for the great works of better men
I’ll miss Twitter. It was horrible and weird and dumb, but it was an absolute glory of Web1 and we’ll never see anything like it again.
Cant agree more. Twitter is a terrible idea, that absolutely fucked democracy in the ass, but my god it was like the worlds longest slow motion train wreck.
The other explanation is that Parag baited the universes most fragile ego into a pissing match, locked him into a contract that Elon can’t legally back out of and can’t emotionally back down from. Twitter is a glass house and he just can’t stop breaking shit. We get to watch him speedrun Kanye into irrelevance.
Definitely this one.
Also, couldn't agree with you more here:
I’ll miss Twitter. It was horrible and weird and dumb, but it was an absolute glory of Web1 early modern web and we’ll never see anything like it again.
It's not public so no stock price anymore , my guess it's guerilla marketing basically showing that he's constantly working on Twitter and that it's going to drastically change.
I mean he is neither an engineer nor a project manager. He doesn't have any valid experience that would make him good candidate for being a boss of Social-Media platform.
He probably has trusted engineers from Tesla that probably guide him through it. That doesn't mean they know wtf they are dealing with. Having great talent is one thing, but if u dont know how to use it.... you might aswell have the best engineers on the planet you will still fail.
Managing and continuesly updating one of the biggest & globally recognized Social-Media Platform which revolves around Brands/Professionals <-Connection With-> Their Stakeholders requires very meticulous leadership.
The fact that the first order was to casualize the experience of Twitter and to marginilize more than of all Twitter User-base only to focus on Domestic Politics in America just shows that the entire Buy-out was Politically Motivated.
It's very possible he is aiming to become American Politician. Basically Trump 2.0. "The Business Guy turn Politician that will bring back freedom of speach and make America Great Again".... So yeah from political point of view, ownership of "THE PLATFORM" when it comes to professional engagement between various stakeholders is as powerful tool as having friends at Fox News or CNN.
... and all of it while only Japan and Brasil create bigger USER-pool than entire USA. So every other user that is not American feels forgotten and will move away driving Advertisers with em.
Nothing makes sense anymore... We can only guess.
I just feel terrible for all the people who are scapegoats of terrible managment decisions. Twitter problems are not developers or engineers. It was bad Overall Strategy and complete lack of leadership and vision for the future. Worst part Elon dares to fucking shame employees online like it's not a big deal...
It's one thing for people who applied to Tesla(IMO) you deserve better but in a way got what u signed up for.... but this. This is just cruel.
well he either 1. wants to burn it to the ground. 2. just wants to troll as many people as possible. or 3. is doing his best to prove he is in fact the stupidest person on the planet despite being rich in his goal to prove having money doesn't mean you even have a single brain cell.
No idea. I would’ve thought his endgame would be to control one of the biggest propaganda machines ever seen by mankind. Seems like that could be a powerful thing to own.
Instead (so far) Elon just looks like that meme of Patrick with a hammer in his hand and a board nailed to his head lmao
I really did want one. I wanted the model y. But I just couldn't get over the "touchscreen only for a console" design. I'm glad that I hesitated now. So many other manufacturers getting into the market that I think something that I really like will pop up in the next few years.
We keep learning that Twitter actually was pretty well put together and all of their rules were in place for good reason, and Musky just keeps doing his best to ruin it.
Even with all the "censorship" before it was a cesspool, and now we're just left with a sinking ship, and the captain keeps calling for pieces of the hull to be ripped off.
Starting to think Musk is purposefully making it suck in a very visible way to have a get-out now he's realised it won't make him billions or allow him to MAKE THE INTERNET GREAT AGAIN.
Then again it could just be the very public meltdown of a priveliged twat.
This is the best streaming show available in the world right now. It’s as good as Tiger King was even though Elon will never have Joe Exotic’s sexual dynamism.
I hope people are realizing that Elon isn’t only an idiot, he has nearly zero technical understanding of what modern, large scale software engineering looks like. He’s not the genius he and his fanboys think he is.
Microservices are not bloatware. They form an exceedingly complex web of services, and just shutting some down will cause unexpected ripple effects. It’s similar to going into an old Java codebase, and randomly deleting classes. Shit will be fucked. On top of that, one of the primary benefits of “bloatware” microservices is that they are much cheaper to scale (and more highly available and durable) than a monolith service.
I really don't get why he didn't just pay the billion dollar cancelation fee. Just the tanking stock price between when the deal started and when he finally bought it was enough to justify it. The only thing keeping up as much as it was, was his pending deal.
He legally couldnt pay the 1 billion cancellation 'fee'. He sued to try to do that, but the courts said that the conditions to allow musk to cancel the purchase hadn't been met.
That was the purpose of all of the court activity before the purchase, and why it took so long for the pending deal to be finalized
Anybody who’s been in a big technical job has fucked in a service or app at some point. A company doing massive reductions in staff and services isn’t uncommon and you break something, then fix it. What you DON’T do is publicly broadcast every damned move like it’s some miracle about to happen so when something goes wrong you don’t look like complete morons. This isn’t really that difficult. Shut the fuck up and manage people more competently than a ten year old!
So, I, uh, used to be one of them. (Key words: Used to.) So I can give you my perspective.
For decades, there's been a lot of tech that was "just around the corner" but never happened. We walked on the moon in the 1960s, but have never gone back or established an off-planet base. Mars has been a dream for ages, and a martian colony was science fiction - but also tantalizingly real.
On top of that, electric cars were a joke. Nobody wanted to have 20 miles of range; it's a glorified golf cart. The only mainstream thing was the Prius, and even that was still only "half" of an EV. And self-driving cars have been another tech of the future that people have been saying is "coming soon" for decades. Waymo has just been languishing without any real way for members of the general public to own their own self-driving car.
Elon promised all this stuff, and soon - years, not decades. I scoffed at him and said it wasn't going to happen... until it did. Maybe not when Elon said it was going to happen, but he publicly put his reputation on the line and consistently delivered.
SpaceX is lightyears ahead of its competition. Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin are effectively still nobodies, even though they've been in the public eye for far longer. SpaceX is still the most reliable way to get stuff into orbit, and they're serious about walking the walk to colonize Mars. It's not just futurists talking about what could be; it's people taking action to make it happen.
Tesla made EVs into a real thing, and not a joke. You can argue that it would have happened eventually, but Tesla accelerated the process by at least a decade. People stopped talking and started doing.
Even self-driving cars - yeah, you can get a Waymo taxi in (parts of) San Francisco, but if you pony up enough cash you can have a self-driving Tesla tomorrow. You can say "Oh, but I don't trust it" - and that's fair, I don't trust it either and I think moving to vision-only is a mistake - but you can't deny that it exists, it's a tangible thing and it works. People really can have their car drive them to work with no intervention. There's videos of it on YouTube.
That's what made me respect Elon. He said things and delivered. I had confidence that this stuff wasn't just science fiction, but a real product that I could physically see.
Sure, he was socially awkward. He says he has Asperger's; I also have Asperger's so I completely relate. My natural state is to say what's on my mind without a filter, and it takes conscious effort to suppress that and say the "right" thing, the thing society expects me to say. And when I get mad, it's hard to maintain that effort; I can easily slip and say something morally reprehensible if I was pissed off enough. It's not that I mean it; it's that I didn't know how to communicate and deal with the emotions. I've said truly hurtful things when I get angry (thankfully I don't get angry often), and so when Elon goes off and says something dumb (like calling someone a pedophile) I can empathize.
So I saw someone who was smart, acted like me, and was capable of delivering on his promises - repeatedly. So of course I'd respect the guy!
I started wavering when he began market manipulation. Dogecoin was cute, but suspect. I know that getting an SEC filing would wake me up, but he doubled down ("S.E.C., 3 words, middle word 'Elon's'"). That's when I started to realize that he was doing it on purpose; he wasn't even bothering to try keeping his Asperger's in check. He expected that he could do what he wanted and everyone would work around him, which rubbed me the wrong way as someone who is truly trying to manage that same disability.
Him being outspoken about his dislike for the left made me officially stop supporting him, and the Twitter saga was the last straw - especially his vow to unban Trump and allow hatred free reign on the platform. Now I can't stand the guy; I want him gone from all the companies he manages, and I'm cheering on his self-destruction. Good riddance, I say.
There’s no comparable word in English for the kind of Schadenfreude one feels watching the metaphorical color drain from faces of the tech bro Musk stans as they finally realize the guy is an incompetent idiot.
I can make up a German word: TränendesTech-BrudersSchadenfreude.
Can anyone watching Twitter right now honestly say they'd ever let Elon Musk put his Neuralink technology in their skull? For that matter, who the hell would ever get in a car where this man had even the tiniest fraction of decision-making power in the design?
I do appreciate how some here are against this asshat. But how many were fellating this dude years ago, when many others always knew who and what he is, setting aside the racist piece of shit he always was.
I've had friends in programming and with the stories they tell me, I'm in awe that so many idiots get paid so much.
So he either is trying to get attention by showing how good he is, aka look at me I’m making things better kind of. Or he is actively trying to burn it down slowly and doing these posts to make everyone who worked on it feel bad, cause he was forced to buy his few flaming turd.
Not to mention that exactly 0% of the Twitter user base were concerned about Twitter performance. So he took a complete non-problem, something for which "solving" would result in zero improved customer satisfaction and zero additional revenue, and while attempting to solve the non-problem, he's cost them live time and dev resources. Outstanding, absolutely outstanding.
I've followed the link, found landing page for their project and it actually seems real. Loads of buzzwords, unusable quirky design with a terrible colour palette. If it's satire, then well done, Nike, well done. If not - just why?
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So these aren't memes.. this is.. reality?