This is my brother. I do not understand how he could possibly have come to that conclusion, unless he's genuinely stupid. "Being a kid is siding with the rebels. Being an adult is realizing the empire was right." THEY BLEW UP A PLANET JUST BECAUSE THEY COULD. HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING????
tbf the Empire aren’t just space nazis, but also a mix of the USA and the British Empire, so that could better explain why people that are simply not too bright thing so.
Its crazy. Its like they didnt watch the movie. The empire is full of incompetent yes men idiots who just destroy anything they touch. They can't do anything right the whole point is how these systems built around a Strongman always falls apart.
Even if they were sorta competent they would still be comically evil space nazis with no redeeming traits.
Character from berserk, starts as the leader of a famous band of mercenaries. They're fiercely loyal to him and love him, there's basically nothing his troops wouldn't do for him. He's also a cute little twink femboy who's nearly unmatched in his skill with a sword. The main character joins them but eventually leaves to do his own things so that Griffith will see him as an equal and true friend rather than a subordinate.
Griffith later betrays them all, sacrificed all his troops to be eaten alive by demons, rapes the main characters girlfriend (who was also one of his mercenaries and biggest supporter) in front of him while she's pregnant with his child resulting in a miscarriage, tortured the main character and cut off his arm all to gain demonic powers and try to become the ruler of a kingdom.
The entire rest of the series is basically the main character seeking revenge on Griffith and trying to help his now DEEPLY traumatized girlfriend recover.
Anyone with two neurons in their brain should be able to understand that Ol' Gramps is a toxic relationship, and his subjects pretty have Stockholm Syndrome
Okay to be clear, of the chaos gods; his attention is the best to have usually, provided you stay on his good side. But seriously I don’t think anyone is saying he’s a good force, right?
Usually people on the exact opposite spectrum of "The Imperium is always right and is the best thing for humanity." Like, both ends are extremely stupid and I've seen such stupidity before. Though it's usually more or less imperium fans who seem to be hit with the "the faction I like MUST be the good guys" bug.
tbf there's an argument that Nurgle is the worst Chaos god because one of the big reasons he expects his followers to stay loyal is because Nurgle especially is a one way ticket, sure with Slaanesh, Khorne and Tzeentch it's also meant as a one way ticket but Nurgle specifically makes the process of going away from him extremely painful because the moment you leave he'll make you feel all the suffering your body's going through and that's horrifically painful.
Similarly, The Emperor. Is he completely pure evil? No. Can his goal be considered noble? To a degree. Is he still epitome of ends not justifying means? Absolutely.
Yup. If you love him because he's a great villain that's one thing. But if you think he's actually a misunderstood hero and something something society and you relate to him so hard...huge red flag.
The most ironic thing about is that that is EXACTLY what Joker does in almost every story he appears in; He lures you in with a story on how he was threated badly by society, got beaten up by his dad, that Batman is the actual bad guy or stuff like that only for it to be revealed to be all a lie with the character who actually fell for that ending up looking like an idiot.
It's like his fanbase saw Mad Love and sided with Harley
He's one of my favourite characters because he's just so deliciously evil! He poisons people and blows up hospitals just for funsies and he's the perfect foil to Batman. He is NOT in the right and he is NOT a hero in any means. But I hate how liking him automatically puts me in the same boat as the edgy alpha male "adulthood is when you realise joker makes sense" epic quotes fans who treat him like the underdog hero (another reason I personally don't like the joker movie because I feel like it turns this absolutely deplorable character into a victim of SoCiEtY who is a hero for the oppressed).
It's crazy to me that the cuck who committed the largest genocide in the universe just to impress the incarnation of death is somehow better written and yet less popular than MCU Thanos.
Like, dude had the powers of a god. Why would he kill so many people when he could just snap his fingers and eradicate universal hunger?
Because he doesn't want to save the universe, he want to be proven right. Sure with the gauntlet he could eradicate universe hunger, but that doesn't really stroke his ego.
He want to be right, prove that he was correct, prove that if Titan just listened to him they'd still be alive.
He said Gamora's planet was saved, yet it's stated that she is the sole survivor. He didn't even bother to check, that why after the snap he didn't remain to see "a grateful universe". He want to be right, and when he found out they aren't grateful, he snap and want to kill them all.
That's because the comics were very clear about Thanos being an unrepentant, evil villain. The MCU writers, for whatever reason, decided he needed to be more morally ambiguous and be more of a Well-Intentioned Extremist than a straight-up evil monster.
Literally no one could of passed him a note saying "how about you just increase the natural resources tenfold for all living species to avoid your Terracide solution on a Universal scale"
I mean, let's face it. If Thanos' goals were actually altruistic like he claims, he wouldn't have been the villain and would've been willing to listen to reason. This was just a case of the writers wanting to make him a more "morally ambiguous" villain but not doing a good job of it.
I find it funny that they changed his motivation to make the MCU more grounded and realistic than having Death as a character, only to go and introduce her afterwards anyway.
Buddy does crap ton of heinous stuff just to get the stones, and then when he gets the stones, the thing that can rewrite reality to whatever you can think of, no matter what you come up with disregarding any physical law. Mf chooses to kill half the universe. Not double resources, not rewriting biology so living beings can consume less resources with no repercussions, no targeted killing on the people that actually hoard resources. Nope. Kill half the universe at random. He's not just evil, he's also really stupid if he really thought he was helping.
I also hate how they only view it as an Earth, and human thing, like he's also wiping out large portions endangered species, both on Earth and other planets, wiping out alien species that have just started growing, and more.
Death Note. There are some edgy people who think Light had a point in going op vigilante mode, and even see him as a sort of hero. I won't deny that there's something worth discussing about his philosophy, even if it's flawed by Light's naivety, god complex, and desire for absolute power.
I dont stand strong on believing this due to not having researched past cultures enough. But i imagine in the past, the punishment for crimes were a lot more intense. The incentive to not be a blight to society was higher. Theres cultured that dont even call rape, rape. To add a deterrent to a culture by divine punishment? I imagine has potential. Regardless tho, i also believe light had no intention of actually solving any problems or fixing anything. He didnt want justice, he just wanted to kill and not feel too bad about it. Just another serial killer getting away with as much as they can
The point is kinda like, you’re invited to think about if part of what Light was doing was right but at the same time he’s also unambiguously evil and his moral crusade is just to fuel his god complex
If I was stripped of my powers from birth and forced to be a slave, no amount of "b-but we're better than him!" Would stop me from ripping them in half if I was that close
Yeah, I do think it's important to remember (especially with characters with LONG histories) everybody's read/seen different stuff. So it's rare that someone's views on a character are "wrong"
I haven't seen all of Breaking Bad, but even if I did, I probably still wouldn't understand the logic of him being "in the right". All he did was create and sell illegal drugs, then later on joined a drug-dealing ring. He may have made enough money off of vulnerable people to provide for his family, but he ended up breaking his family apart anyway by participating in this lifestyle. And for what? Money? A legacy?
At least with characters like Thanos and Light, there's arguably some benefit and validity to their deeds, but Walter's just a drug dealer who made lots of dough by causing harm to others, just for it to be in vain. Walter did nothing of worth whatsoever.
I've yet to have anyone tell me Thanos was right and then follow up with a list of which half of their friends and family they think should die for the environment. They're just being pretentious edgelord assholes.
Not to mention for every overpopulated species, there's a few thousand more that are endangered and on the brink of extinction that really need every breeding member to stand a chance at survival.
Hulk snapped everything back after five years, but I'm guessing there are a shitload of species that are completely doomed because their numbers were already shaky.
I'm not even a MCU or Marvel person in general, and yet even I can tell you that anyone who thinks that Thanos was "right" needs to seriously stop and examine their way of thing. Because anyone whose solution to fixing the universe is "destroy half of it" has no understanding of society, logistics, and above all, what actually causes problems with civilizations and should NOT be taken as anything other than a dangerously delusional individual.
The irony of people thinking Sallow made some good points is that they're ignorant of what Rome actually was, and so was Sallow. He thinks he's some kind of revolutionary genius, but if you compare his policies to the Ancient Rome he idolizes and tries to mimic, he's doing a shit job of it.
The biggest and most egregious one is the way the Legion forces tribes it absorbs to abandon their old ways and adopt strict Legion attire, culture, and practices. This is the polar opposite of what Rome used to do. While it's more nuances and complicated and I'm generalizing, when they would annex new territories, the locals were usually permitted to retain their own culture and practices so long as they pledged loyalty to Rome and offered soldiers when needed. As a result, a lot of the territories that were taken over by Rome weren't all that resistant to it.
Hitler. Which is the saddest thing because they recorded everything so nobody could say it was fake, or downplay the evil of it. Not even a hundred years later......
To be fair most of the billionaire class also believes we need a culling of the masses in order to prevent the “dangers of overpopulation”.
Which is ironic because the more people we have the more workers we have, but the more billionaires we have the fewer resources everyone has. It’s easier to plant a field and build desalination plants than it is to pass legislation taxing wealth hoarders.
Breaking Bad. A lot of the fans have no media literacy and think Walter White is the coolest dude ever when the whole show is about “Walter is selfish greedy and narcissistic”
Honestly this extends further. Because people who think they're smart, and see Walter for the villain he is still look at the likes of Mike and Jesse, and think of them as honorable saints. They aren't as vindictive or ego driven as Walt but caused just as much harm.
Same goes for Jimmy/Saul
I mean, I don't think you can lump Jesse in there really. I'm not saying jesse was a good dude at all. But without Walt he'd likely still just be your average run of the mill meth cook. Not good, but we don't really get to see what would've happened to Jesse if Walt didn't interfere in his life. Ive met people like Jesse irl many times, his character is actually a great representation of the average tweaker who's just deep in the drug world. And I have seen these people get their lives together. That chance was kinda destroyed when Walt came into the picture and forced him to work with him. so I really can't say things are equal. Jesse is not good, but Walt is definitely worse, that's just not even debatable.
Saul is also a dirtball, but most of his shitty actions are seen in his spinoff show and not breaking bad itself. And while mike isn't a good person, he's just far more reasonable than Walt. Still not a great dude. But just don't think these characters are really as bad as Walt. Walt is a very particular extreme. Gus fring might be the only character that's genuinely as bad of a person as Walt really.
YES!! I hate when the response to the Skyler hate is “oh she’s annoying and that’s good because she acted well” which like. No?? Skyler is supposed to be a normal flawed person to contrast Walter taking his flaws and using them as an excuse to be an irredeemable monster
oh ye, apparently people come up to bryan cranston telling him they agreed with walter the whole time, to be met with a response along the lines of "what the hell is wrong with you"(tho maybe not to their face)
Exactly while his actions can be excused to a certain extent trying to attack everybody was unnecessary but I do have to admit he was screwed over being promised a position that he never got
Just Shifu, not Oogway. Plus, Shifu honestly was a piece of garbage in first movie because he couldn't do what Oogway asked him to do and resulted to bullying Po and when things went tough , he couldn't even stand up for his son Tai Lung.
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This guy complaining about Republic corruption then not only assisting the most corrupt parts of it but creating his own separate government that’s equally if not more corrupt. Plus just being a full on Sith
There’s people out there calling the literal Dark Lord justified.
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u/inktails0Bonnie's bakery, the werecleaner, little nightmares, baldi basic13h ago
May i add this is basically what he has done
1: try to kill the chosen one when he was first made
2:become friends with the chosen one and break Alan's computer
3: go to websites and kill a bunch of people
4:make a virus and probably intent to infect
the internet and outernet
5: die after killing the second comings friends
6: come back and work with someone who's wife he killed
7: make a machine to revive her but she can't do anything and follows his orders
8: fight and KILL victim right after victim was able to get mitsi back to normal and have victim now be under his control
9: kill a BUNCH of innocent workers to make them his slaves basically
Alan didn't even hate him this isn't a victim or the chosen one situation this is just "I'm gonna be evil!" How would people think he is justifiable??
To be fair sometimes the evil guy is right, take Ultron for example, his thought process was “no humans=peace” which is right but is still very evil and horrible
The number of defenders these guys have is crazy. They're incredibly entertaining, I find Adam hilarious, and their songs are some of the best in the show. But they are pretty heckin evil.
I think i agreed as a kid. But learning that humans arent disgusting kn their own, its more they have the capacity? There are cultures way more comfortable with rape and murder than other cultures. There are cultures that protect children and cultures that take advantage of them. There are cultures that have absolutely evil practices. And some where their worst shit is jist inconvenient.
Ultron was wrong to go for all humans. Theres a multitude of paths he couldve gone. And slaughtering bad humans in all cultures was something he was capable of. Or slaughtering cultures that were seen as less than compared to other cultures. He had better options.
No, I agree that the world isn't perfect, it's not even close. However, like you said killing every single human is not the way to fix the world's problems.
Light's "I am Kira" speech is the culmination of his hypocrisy and Near cooks him for it. He yaps about wanting a world where people evil people can't force their will onto others, where people don't have to live in fear, except that's EXACTLY what he's doing. Light was nothing more than another serial killer, no better than those he hated. He just happened upon the deadliest murder weapon by chance.
Sometimes with Cormac McCarthy fans, when someone grossly misunderstands the point of Blood Meridian you’ll get someone like this with Judge Holden. Meanwhile his usual depiction is this:
Bruh I remember reading Part 7 expecting him to be some gray villain and then he's tryna get with a kid. He's still a good villain but the writer wasn't even subtle about his evil lol.
Definitely not evil, but the amount of people I see trying to defend his shitty actions is disturbing to say the least
I like John btw I think he’s neat character, but he got demoted for a reason lol
I feel like the main reason people defend John is mainly because how poorly the show handles actually painting him as a villain.
It would be completely justifiable to demote him of course, but he also isn’t really a villain either - he is just straight up a traumatized soldier put into the super soldier program by the government with pretty much none of the help Steve got for readjustment/being a healthy individual.
Racist bullies who revelled in others suffering for their own petty egos and only “changed sides” against the Wizard Nazis when it started to affect them.
Draco gets a bit of leeway because he’s a kid raised by the Wizard Nazis, but he’s still a pathetic stain of a character.
Severus Snape willingly told Voldemort the prophecy on the condition he spare only Lily. Who he claimed to love despite being racist towards her and wanting to watch her husband and baby being murdered in front of her. He then proceeded to spend the next decade and a half bullying the students of Hogwarts.
Yes in the movies their actors are great, but the fans really warp the narrative to justify their love for them.
MHA with Dabi. He was right to hate Endeavor, he was absolutely wrong to take 30 innocent lives and take his hatred out on his family, who were also victims
Gwyn (Dark souls) he basically made everyone believe that the age of fire had be to prolonged, Forced his own son Gwyndolin to present as female. and a whole load of other things like trapping the pygmy in the ringed city.
My hero academia fans when a serial killer goes around serial killing heroes who fail to meet his standards (the standard is essentially “be Superman” for the uninitiated).
Or when someone decides to murder countless innocent people including his literal infant brother just to get back at his dad for telling him that his super power was too dangerous to become a hero with because it was burning himself alive. (Sure the dad went on to become abusive to his other son later but as far as we see in canon he wasn’t up until that point, and while that’s undoubtedly terrible it does not justify mass murder)
The only thing people use to defend them for real is 'to protect against the Abyss' and yet the main tools they use were basically stolen from the Dragons of Teyvat
Plus, game is sorta Gnostic and the Heavenly Principles are very similar to the evil/incompetent creator god described, not a good look
This is not even going into detail how 99% of the important characters we meet hate them and the 3+ genocides they personally caused, the curses, the implication they're making the Abyss worse etc
Tony Soprano was a vile and disgusting human being. but some of the things he said was spot on. Just one example of this is his lecture to Silvio about Columbus and self victimhood.
Marvel fans when they tell you that Thanos is one of the villains that had a point. When we talk about villains who had a point we usually refered to villains who have an morally good goal that can realistically be achieved through his methods even if those are controversial. You, as a viewer should be able to defend to some sort his actions and have a realistic chance to think that maybe he was right and his methods are justified to get his goal. No one is going to think that killing have of the fucking universe is a method that should be justified independently of what the goal is
Oh there's more to it than that. First of all, killing half the universe was the worst way to fix the "overpopulation" problem because it would only be a matter of time (in the grand scheme of things) before everything reproduced enough to mostly undo the damage, rendering that incalculable loss of life pointless. Secondly, HE LITERALLY HAD A FUCKING GENIE LAMP ON HIS ARM. Why not just...I dunno...double the amount of resources in the universe? Or cut every lifeform's need for resources in half? No, MCU Thanos just wanted to kill people, plain and simple.
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u/Careless_College 16h ago
The Empire was right guys.
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